I am convinced I can here sounds (in particular movies) I havent heard with any previous version. Keep up the great work!

Hello guys, I’m new at this but just thought I’d let you all know that I downloaded the android app on my cellphone running version 4.0.4 , dual core processor, 1 gig of memory just to see if it would load/work. It did/does and it worked on my wireless network ‘not wifi’ I dont see any reason to have it on my cellphone but just thought I’d give it a try to see if it would install, load etc…

Any questions or comments please enlighten me.

Thanks

I’m happy overall with this release BUT smart music playlists take a LOT longer to load than with Eden (sometimes up to 2 minutes). I’ve complained about this before and lodged it as a bug. I can’t work out whether Frodo is accessing the database in a more round about way or if the system is more taxed overall due to higher CPU. For someone who uses these playlists a lot this is very annoying and definitely a backwards step from Eden. Happy with the video section though.

Thanks, and a job well done… I am loving it…

THX !!!!
Great work , xbmc forever :)

I get a black screen now on my iPad !

loooooooove it, thanks!!!

Back to V11 for me. Features and eye candy is a poor substitute for playback stability/compatibility. Fingers crossed for an early V12.1

I know you know – no sound on Windows 7 or 8 64bit. Oh well…

Since updating to ver 12 for ipad 2, xbmc will only run in safe mode. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

@zepp Same for me, after two different install attempts, I am back in 11. HD Videos keeps freezing in Frodo on my machine.

Well I’ve upgraded two pc’s and both went flawlessly. Win7-8, 3000+ films+ TV.

New HD Audio works great and I really like the advanced filtering.

Thank you all so much.

@Pascal Great, 6000 movies, I am impressed, I am just on 2,000 movies now.

Will all you complainers please keep in mind that this still is FREE software and a lot of people dedicate a lot of free time in this project.

mentioning that stuff is not working is one (although the forum would be a more appropriate place), but the attitude some (most) people give shows now respect whatsoever.

All of you developers thank you, I am a happy and thankful user of your project for many years now.
Willing to buy all of you a beer whenever our paths cross.

Just my 2 cents

Very-very low speed UPnP browsing!!!! :(((
It is worst than it was in version 11!
Please fix this!

Always freeze itself under Windows 7 x64!!!!!

I hope that it is not a final release!

Maikel :
Will all you complainers please keep in mind that this still is FREE software and a lot of people dedicate a lot of free time in this project.
mentioning that stuff is not working is one (although the forum would be a more appropriate place), but the attitude some (most) people give shows now respect whatsoever.
All of you developers thank you, I am a happy and thankful user of your project for many years now.
Willing to buy all of you a beer whenever our paths cross.
Just my 2 cents

“WORD”

Lets help the developers fix these ‘bugs’

@Maikel

You do not seem to get the point most people express : why releasing now if/when some problem remains that prevent users to use the new version. OSS has also the culture of release when its ready, release often, etc.

The people complaining are annoyed because this software is a major part of their digital life otherwise they would not even say a single word.

How you can call it “Release”?
It can’t play flv stream. http://trac.xbmc.org/ticket/13191

EricV :
@Anonymous
Have you tried to play AC3audio (e.g in HDTV). It crashes. Debain ffmpeg maintainer had to roll back to 1.0x. Bug opened and confirmed by ffmpeg devs.

Yes, media with AC3 audio plays without any issue on my system using external ffmpeg 1.1.1

@ericv; sometimes i wonder why i left the project after putting in so much time and dedication (likely 2-3 man-years of work). then i read comments from people like you. thank you for reminding me.

@spiff

My pleasure. Maybe if you fail to understand people (after all I’m not the only one wondering why *now*) this was *indeed* a clever decision. And, it will not make me cry : as anybody else, you did it because you had time, because it was fun, and maybe it even helped you to express your potential :-)

As an older folk, with some million customer software project behind me, I just tell you this : there are time for new features, time for bugs hunting. And of course the second activity is painful especially if its not your code and even worse if it is not documented… But reporting bugs is the first step to “bug fixing” and unfortunately not everyone has the knowledge to fix all bugs.

Great software installs / works without a problem. Keep up the good work. Thanks!!

EricV :
@Anonymous
Have you tried to play AC3audio (e.g in HDTV). It crashes. Debain ffmpeg maintainer had to roll back to 1.0x. Bug opened and confirmed by ffmpeg devs.

Yes, media with AC3 audio plays without any issue on my system using external ffmpeg 1.1.1

@EricV – Spare me…

This release ROCKS! This was the best year EVER for XBMC.

Finally, finally, finally, all of my sync problems are gone. Gone is my anxiety associated with the anticipation that lip sync MAY be out. Those without OCD have no idea…

HD Audio works perfectly on all four of my set ups.

OpenElec has made huge strides and killed off Windows for me and made remote management perfect.

The support forums and trac site have matured.

The future is bright if only the next release is half as good as Frodo.

The beta’s weren’t stable, RC’s weren’t stable and the final still isn’t stable! Seriously guys, what happened? As 12 does not add much to the whole XBMC experience I am back to 11. And staying there for quite some time aftyer this debacle.

I agree. Stability is a serious issue of Frodo. Sometimes the whole programm freezes. Or menu fades out but never back in. Useless iteration if you ask me. They seem to have lost their way.

@ericv

Yes, media with AC3 audio play without any issue on my system using external ffmpeg 1.1.1

Hey guys,

Great work its becoming even better release after release.

I just wish you could add back in : the settings so you can unselect Videos in the skin. So just Movies, TV Shows are shown.

Please re add the skin editting feature in settings.

Thanks again guys

Keep up the great work.

@ericv; you documented the issues on trac. what you are doing here is whining like a stuck up little child because YOUR particular itches were not prioritized. if you have “some million customer software project” behind you, your only contribution had to be at the coffee maker, (or as a project leader *shudders*) cause you are showing absolutely no insight into how software and software development works.

a software system as complex as xbmc will NEVER, EVER be stable for everybody, even if you restrict your focus to a single hardware platform and follow every software development methodology ever invented at the same time. thinking it can be on the multitude of platforms (os/hardware combinations) xbmc runs on is utopia. really really smart men, much smarter than dumb little me say exactly the same. see e.g. these essays from 1985 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/przybils/courses/CBD06/papers/p1326-parnas.pdf (don’t mind the context, i.e. you can freely skip the introduction if you want though it does explain who the author is to some extent). that’s back in 1985, when most software systems were child’s play compared to today’s systems in terms of complexity (simply a fact due to available resources).

thus any software team are stuck with the following dilemma; either you never release a “final” cause whiners who don’t get the nature of software would never leave you alone (first example that comes to mind is mplayer). this typically backfires, cause guess what? whiners will then whine about how there is no final release.

or you draw the line somewhere, kill off the crash bugs you are aware of, do the sanity checks you can come up with and ship it trying to stick to a pre-decided time line to the extent possible. since none of the issues you mention are show stoppers, they are merely missing features that would be good to have, they were not priorities (and should not have been either).

here are specific reasons why the first two of these did not make it;
1) the xvba code is still not up to snuff in terms of code quality. fernetmenta knows this and is working with the rest of the team to make it happen. it’s a slow process but it’s moving along. furthermore, calling this a bug should tell everybody who’s reading this what color the hole you have your head up is. there can’t be a bug in a non-existent feature can there?
2) external support for ffmpeg is not an officially supported feature. it’s not maintained by the team, as the team know why they keep an internal, heavily (but decreasing over time) patched version in-tree. support for external ffmpeg is maintained by patches from third parties. you can blame the world and thus by inclusion yourself.

the third likely sits in the add-on so it can be updated in retrospect. there is no reason to let something as small as minor cosmetics delay the release. and again you’re talking about some random tvh git version (not even stating the revision). there could have been 100’s of api changes in the git since the last stable api release. why should anyone waste time on making all of em work?

the forth is a bug in the rpi firmware. what on earth do you expect the team to do about that?
the fifth is a bug in the nvidia driver. ditto, what on earth can the team do about that?

finally, your critique is also highly non-coherent. at one point you want them to release when it’s stable and just a few sentences before you were complaining about how development was stalled due to the stabilization process. make up your mind.

@spiff
Bravo! You pretty much nailed it.
Whiners, even the “old men million people software behind them developer” types have to use some common sense here. HTPC media enthusiasts use a infinite number of configurations specific to their setup at home. There will never be a day when any Media Center package will work with every O/S, hardware, backend piece that people dream up to use together. Look at some of the children whining about how it doesn’t work without even providing the most basic in troubleshooting information. Kids, all of them acting like spoiled kids.

I got Frodo installed on every Windows 7 and 8 machine (7 total) throughout the house working flawlessly. The main HTPC in the living room is playing all my HD content and HD audio and all I had to do was change the audio output. PVR is working great too.

In the end, the devs don’t need your “critque” if all you’re going to do is nit pick the little bugs that you’re upset weren’t prioritized for your specific setup and try to tell them how to get the job done properly. And now from Spiff’s post just seems you didn’t have your facts straight to begin with. Meh.

Anyways, for Team-XBMC, been using your software for many years now and really happy with Frodo. The new image caching system is worth the price of admission alone. Everyone in the house is complimenting how smooth and lively it feels now. And the skinners seem to be getting creative with the new tools at their disposal.

From my household to you, thank you for the time and effort you have put into this great piece of software. Our digital lives are better because of it. Not to mention the smugness you get when friends constantly say “I WANT” when they see it all in action.

@spiff
As a user since the xbox media player days, I think I speak for a lot of people in thanking all the developers for their hard work and dedication over the years. It has been a part of my household entertainment systems for almost 10 years and couldn’t imaging myself without it. It has evolved into a product that is light years ahead of any commercially available media center software and still remains 100% free. Thanks!

@spiff

1) Half of the world run AMD graphics and cannot use official XBMC on linux. Not a bug OK. Not even a priority? Fixes is there and is running fine for openelec…
2) external ffmpeg works better than internal one for a least a year, so you could review your position. Besides debian will reject the code as is because of internal ffmpeg and you probably know it as well as any distrib that takes intellectual property and licensing carrefully…
3) This is not a bug in the firmware but in omxplayer as far as I know
4) This is a limitation in XBMC code that has never integrated the needed nvidia library. Myth has overcomed the problem for years. You annoy almost another half of Linux users…

So, I beg to disagree with you and I think you just showed your inability to be concerned by possible users problems.

@EricV -get a life. This is free software that works great for most. Sorry you have crappy AMD video hardware but if you really knew anything about linux, you would have purchased something with an NVIDA GPU.

You’re full of spite and delusion bonded together by ignorance. Get over yourself and BE THANKFUL. Things will get better, things always change, and this won’t be the last release of XBMC. Now go get a hug from your mommy to make you feel better.

@XBMC Team
Ignore the idiots. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK!

@spiff
You can’t argue with a crazy person. Insulting them is much more fun!!!

@Kevin
@X0047
@kalnas
Uninstall Display Out

@Barry
If I had to guess I would say something is damaged in one of the databases. There are cases were things will still work (or mostly work), but will run MUCH slower when one of the databases gets damaged.

@Grim
From what I understand, FLV stream support is always been “hacky” due to the nature of FLV. There’s not a lot we can do about it, and we certainly aren’t going to delay a release for what is now a minority format that doesn’t affect most users. However, we will do our best going forward in fixing such issues to the best of our abilities.

@zepp
@Pioneer
@Logaan
@Frank (NL)
@Jack

Guys, please post these issues to the XBMC forums so that they can be looked at and fixed. While XBMC will always have some bugs, we do our best to make sure there are no freezing/crashing bugs in XBMC’s core (I think some add-ons can cause freezing, but none of the XBMC repo add-ons should). The reason why there was such a big gap between RC3 and final release was because of one or two final “crashing” bugs that the Team devs needed to fix (and they did). If there were others they either weren’t reported or were misunderstood/didn’t have enough info for us to reproduce/verify. We rely on user testing, due to the massive amounts of possible configurations out there for XBMC systems, so we need your help and info if those issues are to be resolved. In some cases, it might not even be an issue in the core of XBMC, but something we can help you with now.

Thanks to all the devs and contributors to this amazing project.

Lovely work as always. I’ve installed Frodo onto an Acer Revo ION box (xbmcbuntu… finally yanked my own ubuntu install off in favor of yours), ATV1 with crystalHD card (crystalbuntu1), an AppleTV2, a Macbook Air, a Raspberry Pi, and a Windows 8 desktop. So far it’s been super stable, mysql backend DB has been working wonderfully across the board, and offline stored DDS artwork has also been perfect. Videos stream around the house over ethernet, DECA (directv’s MOCA implementation), and wireless (both 2.4ghz N and 5.0ghz N). Videos are stored on a Linux server with a bunch of drives using NFS. I also have an ATSC tuner and tvheadend on the server, which is used on the computers and the tv without a directv receiver.

I just wanted to thank you for an insanely fantastic piece of software that my family of 4 can’t live without anymore. My small children are confused when they go to someones house that doesn’t have immediate access to all of their movies and tv shows. The 3 year old can pick up any of the remotes in the house and get his stuff going with XBMC. He never presses the “Watch TV” button on the remotes.

Hi ALL,

It’s said before but I think it can’t be said to much….

This XBMC project is maintained and upgraded by VOLUNTEERS who have ” real jobs” in day time.
They are all doing this in the’re SPARE TIME and it is there HOBBY.

On top of that…. ANYONE can participate and help XBMC become even better than it is today.

So, don’t just cry about something little that doesn’t work for you. There are THOUSENDS (if not millions) of users on this planet who use XBMC without ANY problems. (I’m one of them :-))

If you really care….. join the party and contribute. Write some code and HELP.

DON’T THINK PROBLEMS, THINK SOLUTIONS !!

And above all….. XBMC is FREE software.
So, what’s your problem?
Just try to find something equal to XBMC that costs you nothing….. there isn’t

I am very glad that I discoverd XBMC en will continue to use it for years and years

Many thanks to all those guys who spent (and will spend) a lot of time and knowledge in creating en maintaining this great software!

KCB
The Netherlands

@kcb I’ve said it many times before about free or open source software: there is no reason to not talk about flaws if software is free. None at all. Cost or daytime jobs have NOTHING to do with it.

Go back to your kinder garden. Insulting people never brings a solution to the table. As far as hardware goes AMD GPU are very good for HTPC, far superior to ION/ION2 based solutions. And I’m happy with fernetmenta code but not anybody can recompile XBMC. Nvida is indeed beloved by Linux itself and I say XBMC support is crappy. If you want to know why and for solutions look at bug report database. Try to play 24p material on 295 drivers even if you monitor can handle it. Only free solution is Intel BTW… And as far as Linux goes, I run it since 95 …

At the heart of XBMC is a video player. It should support all hardware platform perfectly especially PC hardware. I just say its not the case and things did not evolve much between 11 and 12 on Linux. On windows, I had problem with RC3 unrelated to new audio setup. On android, I guess for video hardware acceleration gstreamer support will become mandatory but that’s just my view. VLC is struggling with the same problem. At least it does not work with tegra3 hardware.

EricV :

Go back to your kinder garden. Insulting people never brings a solution to the table. As far as hardware goes AMD GPU are very good for HTPC, far superior to ION/ION2 based solutions. And I’m happy with fernetmenta code but not anybody can recompile XBMC. Nvida is indeed beloved by Linux itself and I say XBMC support is crappy. If you want to know why and for solutions look at bug report database. Try to play 24p material on 295 drivers even if you monitor can handle it. Only free solution is Intel BTW… And as far as Linux goes, I run it since 95 …
At the heart of XBMC is a video player. It should support all hardware platform perfectly especially PC hardware. I just say its not the case and things did not evolve much between 11 and 12 on Linux. On windows, I had problem with RC3 unrelated to new audio setup. On android, I guess for video hardware acceleration gstreamer support will become mandatory but that’s just my view. VLC is struggling with the same problem. At least it does not work with tegra3 hardware.

@EricV, your statement “I just say its not the case and things did not evolve much between 11 and 12 on Linux” is incorrect. One of the greatest enhancements between 11 and 12 has been the inclusion of the AudioEngine! Being able to bitstream HD audio has taken XBMC to the next level for any serious HTPC owner.

Although he’s not expressing it well at all @EricV has a point here.

I mean this with no disrespect to the volunteers at all, after all I’ve been using a program I would happily pay a lot for (and have donated to many times) for free so what I think doesn’t really matter, but it would be nice if we users weren’t used as guinea pigs so often. I’d rather wait another six months than go through the whole upgrade then immediate downgrade due to countless bugs every time there is a release. Next time I’m going to wait around for a month and let everyone else sort it out because it really is a pain and no way to treat those that support you. I want to make it clear that I offer this as a suggestion, not some sort of whiney insult, as everyone is doing a stellar job.

Dear EricV

I read a lot of the above comments from you and others. You seem close to hostile of the XBMC and the team behind it so why not just go and find a package you DO like and then feel free to report back the glory of your discovery? Posting here won’t help, only annoy a lot of people who DO appreciate the XBMC (yes, me too) so eithe post your bugs on the tracker so they can be locked at or find something that will please you if you can’t find it here? The release is for sure not “of evil” and it do work for many so if you think it can be improved, post to tracker. If you do not like it – find something else. Seems rather simple and straightforward?!

1) nope. not a bug. still just a missing features.
2) yes, which is why the external option was accepted. it has absolutely nothing to do with ip or licensing. it’s about debian’s 100% square policy of no duplication of libraries due to security concerns (which i’m on board with). i never wanted xbmc packaged in debian in the first place since the application in its whole cannot be. i can think of tens of bugs i have traced over the years sterning from packagers blindly replacing internal copies of libraries with system ones (e.g. while external might work better for *you*, it will *not* work better for those things patched, quite a lot of them related to dvd playback).
3) then i was thinking of a different issue. i guess it slipped under the rader of the single rpi dev (gimli).
4) not sure what you are referring to, the fact that nvidia failed to implement randr until the 3xx series of the drivers?

anyways, your claim that i do not understand user issues tells me that this is the last post of mine. you’re clearly reading what you want to read, and not what i write.

@antiericv; i’m well aware that this is a lost case. but hopefully i can open some eyes of more rational souls that happens to read it in the passing.

@spiff

1) its a missing feature that annoys statistically many linux users and you have a working solution…
2) debian compile ffmpeg with other options than you do for licensing reasons, plus debian use libav…
4) Indeed nvidia before 3.xx was returning xrandr results that XBMC misinterpreted. BVut using xbmc-xrand to get this kind information is in my view a ugly hack (fork exec multithread heavy appli even if linux COW technic save your ass instead of around 60 lines of C code…), using popen to and calling nvidia-settings utility for getting nvidia refresh rate is also rather ugly and introduced a lot of deadlocks. Nvidia does provide a library to get access to relevant video modes and this has been used by myth to correctly change the display to media resolution for years. All needed pointers are in the bug database. So saying it is a nvidia bug does no help anyone to get a solution (and I posted patches for integrating the needed library even before 11…).

@C

I do love XBMC and I do use it but I’m forced to build it myself using other code base than the official repository because it contains bugs (or missing feature if you want). I by no mean want to be hostile to devs and would even like to contribute more. Reporting bugs is the least I can do. Proposing fixes sometimes also. Now there are people much more skilled than me for graphic programming…

@vicbitter

@EricV, your statement “I just say its not the case and things did not evolve much between 11 and 12 on Linux” is incorrect. One of the greatest enhancements between 11 and 12 has been the inclusion of the AudioEngine! Being able to bitstream HD audio has taken XBMC to the next level for any serious HTPC owner.

Right. Pulse audio right could still be enhanced (and has been removed as default just as a hint).

@JackD

Hi JackD,

I mean no offence but I think you may be missing part of the point of free open source software. As users we have a responsibility to test the software and find bugs. Otherwise how else are they going to test it? They’re not adobe or Microsoft, they’re a team of volunteers. That said, I think the xbmc team do a pretty bloody good job at removing (from my experience) all “show stopper” bugs before release final versions. Most ericV’s issues as I understand aren’t bugs per se, that is the software is still useable, it just doesn’t have all the features in it. That’s fine, it’s open source which means if he’s been compiling his own versions he need only submit his code – much more practical than slamming the hard working folk on here.

Onya xbmc Team!

This is just fantastic. Works perfectly fine on Win7, 64bit.

The new audio engine is just great. I love it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Congrats all!

Thank you all for your hard word, the new version is incredible!