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floink
2004-09-09, 11:33
thought this could be an interseting fact to establish when working on features for xbmc and thinking about usability.

Gamester17
2004-09-09, 13:39
for reference, see here what people voted back in the xbmp (http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de) days => http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/cgi-bin....;t=4903 (http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/cgi-bin/ib31/ikonboard.cgi?act=st;f=1;t=4903)

lovedaddy
2004-09-09, 16:40
i used to only use the dvd remote, but reciently, i've picked up the logitech wireless controller.
its about 50/50 now, if i'm closer to the remote, i'll use that, otherwise controller :d

jmarshall
2004-09-09, 17:04
where's the mouse option :p ??

Ltriples
2004-09-09, 17:08
well, i've disconnected both of my controllers so most of the time i'm using the remote :). also the playback functions are
easier to command on the remote than on the controller

floink
2004-09-09, 21:31
where's the mouse option :p ??
since mouse isn't toooo common yet amongst users it was included in the "plus others" (didn't expect me to bother answering that huh? :p )

deltop
2004-09-10, 01:12
remote, no contest.

whenever i ask people in the channel why they're using the controller and not the remote the answer is invariably, "but that costs money!".

go on people fork out some cash, using the remote is a much nicer experience. besides it seems to me that xbmc is tweaked more in favour of remote users rather than people who use the controller. it just makes more sense, this is after all a media center. you wouldn't want to use a controller to control your set top dvd player or hi-fi would you?

Vesh
2004-09-10, 01:51
it's a bit of a tossup for me. the menus are quicker to handle with the controller but the remote is easier during viewing. likely if i had a wireless controller, i'd prefer it but since i dont, the remote wins out just barely because of overall convenience.

Asteron
2004-09-11, 02:15
my tv is rca and so the remote that came with it also works on the xbox and has alot more buttons. dont use the actual xbox remote. the mouse is still pretty cool

Xarann
2004-09-11, 10:30
i use my wireless controller.... i would prefer the remote to a corded controller, but my wireless beats it easily.... and i didnt have to buy the stupid overpriced ms remote

Loto_Bak
2004-09-13, 06:14
remote... but when im playin games with buddies remote is wayyyy over at the coffee table and my controler is in my lap...

i wrote up a quick tutorial on replacing the crappy xbox remote with a universal that will not conflict with your rca tv or dvd hardware. its a couple threads down.. title is 'wicked remote... (i hope)' or something like that

floink
2004-09-13, 22:13
i just bought the kameleon 6 from oneforall (http://www.oneforall.com) which has the ms dvd setup in it. ca 130 euro. works really good. just had to copy a couple of functions extra. with the scripting on the remote i can now also turn on/off the xbox with remote with just one button press (i use the ir-mod from chiptech.de). and it works flalessly with my other devices aswell.

wabidwoveren
2004-09-14, 01:18
now with the new trigger fast forwarding the controller rocks again. i use the wireless controller over the remote any day.

swmike
2004-10-06, 22:58
i only use the dvd remote. i am still lacking some functions to use with the remote (page up/down with the forward/reverse buttons as in xbmp) and i have a feature request for this in since may or so. would be nice to be able to use the remote for all functions (seems it's ignored for some in the config files).

floink
2004-10-10, 23:57
i have a feature request for this in since may or so. would be nice to be able to use the remote for all functions (seems it's ignored for some in the config files).
getting functions mapped in a useful way has been worked on alot. you should give it a go yourself to see if you can avoid unacceptable colissions in all possible windows. just edit keymap.xml. if you find a mapping you prefer over the default just keep that one every time you update xbmc.

detox1978
2005-10-17, 18:09
hi all,

i recently purchased an xbox on ebay and want to load xbmc on it.

can anyone recommed a remote control for it?


cheers
detox

pike
2005-10-17, 18:31
logitech wireless controller :kickass:

bouriko
2005-10-18, 19:35
yup

anybody know if the remote media center extender for xbox does work for xbmc ?

can't buy in france :/

i have the same for pc it's was the best have i tested ... (just light button use to much power :/ but this model don't have light button :p so anybody have test ?

thx .. and thx so much team for your great os ^^

jmarshall
2005-10-18, 23:11
yes, it does work. logitech wireless controller is better though imo.

quadraspeed
2005-10-22, 13:53
anybody know if the remote media center extender for xbox does work for xbmc ?

can't buy in france :/
i just found a picture of this remote - it seems to be much more advanced than the normal dvd playback kit!

damn expensive though ( 79,99 $ on the ms website ).

i am gonna check to see if i can grab one in germany/ebay.

i also thought about the logitech wireless controller, but i would like a one hand remote solution instead of having to use both hands. a remote is simply more comfortable to use ( imho )

Diggedy
2005-10-24, 09:37
i seem to be one of the few people that has the logitech wireless controller yet still prefers using the remote for xbmc. using the controller just feels to clunky (for want of a better term) for my liking.

Bernd
2005-10-26, 01:20
i like the controller better than the remote since the controller is much faster/more precise when navigating.
using the triggers to fast forward/backward is really :cool:!

on the other side the romote has more buttons, so you can access stuff directly and don't have to click through menues.

cheers bernd

xena
2005-10-26, 12:16
i perfer the remote



[code]<!-- this file contains the mapping of keys (gamepad, remote and keyboard) to actions within xbmc -->
<!-- the <global> section is a fall through - they will only be used if the button is not -->
<!-- used in the current window's section. note that there is only handling -->
<!-- for a single action per button at this stage. -->

<!-- the format is: -->
<!-- <device> -->
<!-- <button>action</button> -->
<!-- </device> -->

<!-- the <remotecode> blocks are only needed if you intend to map buttons from other remotes. -->
<!-- in this case, the remotecodes are the obcs (original button codes) in the rca 5 protocol -->
<!-- and you'd set it up by adding a <remotecode> block to the <remap> or <global> section: -->
<!-- <remotecode> -->
<!-- <45>stop</45> -->
<!-- </remotecode> -->

<!-- note that the action can be a built-in function. -->
<!-- eg <b>xbmc.activatewindow(mymusic)"</b> -->
<!-- would automatically go to my music on the press of the b button. -->

<keymap>
<global>
<remote>
<zero>number0</zero>
<one>number1</one>
<two>number2</two>
<three>number3</three>
<four>number4</four>
<five>number5</five>
<six>number6</six>
<seven>number7</seven>
<eight>number8</eight>
<nine>number9</nine>
<play>play</play>
<pause>pause</pause>
<stop>stop</stop>
<forward>fastforward</forward>
<reverse>rewind</reverse>
<left>left</left>
<right>right</right>
<up>up</up>
<down>down</down>
<select>select</select>
<pageplus>pagedown</pageplus>
<pageminus>pageup</pageminus>
<back>parentdir</back>
<menu>previousmenu</menu>
<title>contextmenu</title>
<info>info</info>
<skipplus>pagedown</skipplus>
<skipminus>pageup</skipminus>
<display>fullscreen</display>
<start>previousmenu</start>
<record>screenshot</record>
<volumeplus>volumeup</volumeplus>
<volumeminus>volumedown</volumeminus>
<mute>mute</mute>
<power>xbmc.shutdown()</power>
<myvideo>xbmc.activatewindow(myvideos)</myvideo>
<mymusic>xbmc.activatewindow(mymusic)</mymusic>
<mypictures>xbmc.activatewindow(mypictures)</mypictures>
<mytv>xbmc.activatewindow(home)</mytv>
</remote>

<gamepad>
<a>select</a>
<b>parentdir</b>
<x>fullscreen</x>
<y>queue</y>
<white>contextmenu</white>
<black></black>
<start>xbmc.activatewindow(playercontrols)</start>
<back>previousmenu</back>
<dpadleft>left</dpadleft>
<dpadright>right</dpadright>
<dpadup>up</dpadup>
<dpaddown>down</dpaddown>
<leftthumbbutton>screenshot</leftthumbbutton>
<rightthumbbutton>xbmc.activatewindow(shutdownmenu)</rightthumbbutton>
<leftanalogtrigger>scrollup</leftanalogtrigger>
<rightanalogtrigger>scrolldown</rightanalogtrigger>
<rightthumbstickleft>analogseekback</rightthumbstickleft>
<rightthumbstickright>analogseekforward</rightthumbstickright>
<rightthumbstickup>volumeup</rightthumbstickup>
<rightthumbstickdown>volumedown</rightthumbstickdown>
</gamepad>

<keyboard>
<p>play</p>
<f>fastforward</f>
<r>rewind</r>
<left>left</left>
<right>right</right>
<up>up</up>
<down>down</down>
<pageup>pageup</pageup>
<pagedown>pagedown</pagedown>
<return>select</return>
<backspace>parentdir</backspace>
<escape>previousmenu</escape>
<i>info</i>
<menu>contextmenu</menu>
<space>pause</space>
<x>stop</x>
<period>skipnext</period>
<comma>skipprevious</comma>
<tab>fullscreen</tab>
<printscreen>screenshot</printscreen>
<minus>volumedown</minus>
<plus>volumeup</plus>
<zero>number0</zero>
<one>number1</one>
<two>number2</two>
<three>number3</three>
<four>number4</four>
<five>number5</five>
<six>number6</six>
<seven>number7</seven>
<eight>number8</eight>
<nine>number9</nine>
</keyboard>
</global>


<home>
<gamepad>
<black>xbmc.activatewindow(56)</black>
</gamepad>

<remote>
<info>xbmc.activatewindow(systeminfo)</info>
<clear>xbmc.activatewindow(weather)</clear>
<hash>xbmc.activatewindow(settings)</hash>
<record>xbmc.activatewindow(shutdownmenu)</record>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<i>info</i>
</keyboard>
</home>


<myfiles>
<gamepad>
<y>highlight</y>
</gamepad>

<remote>
<one>highlight</one>
<skipplus>pagedown</skipplus>
<skipminus>pageup</skipminus>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<space>highlight</space>
<delete>delete</delete>
<c>copy</c>
<m>move</m>
<r>rename</r>
</keyboard>
</myfiles>


<mymusicplaylist>
<gamepad>
<y>delete</y>
<black>playlist</black> <!-- close playlist -->
</gamepad>

<remote>
<back>playlist</back> <!-- close playlist -->
<clear>delete</clear>
<zero>delete</zero>
<three>moveitemup</three>
<nine>moveitemdown</nine>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<space>playlist</space> <!-- close playlist -->
<delete>delete</delete>
<u>moveitemup</u>
<d>moveitemdown</d>
</keyboard>
</mymusicplaylist>


<mymusicfiles>
<gamepad>
<y>queue</y>
<black>playlist</black>
</gamepad>

<remote>
<zero>queue</zero>
<star>queue</star>
<skipplus>pagedown</skipplus>
<skipminus>pageup</skipminus>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<space>playlist</space>
<q>queue</q>
</keyboard>
</mymusicfiles>


<mymusictop100>
<gamepad>
<y>queue</y>
<black>playlist</black>
</gamepad>

<remote>
<zero>queue</zero>
<star>queue</star>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<space>playlist</space>
<q>queue</q>
</keyboard>
</mymusictop100>


<mymusiclibrary>
<gamepad>
<y>queue</y>
<black>playlist</black>
</gamepad>

<remote>
<zero>queue</zero>
<star>queue</star>
</remote>

<keyboard>
<space>playlist</space>
<q>queue</q>
</keyboard>
</mymusiclibrary>


<fullscreenvideo>
<remote>
<left>stepback</left>
<right>stepforward</right>
<up>volumeup</up>

Tomkun
2005-10-26, 15:11
eeep.... aren't there rules against posting that much code? anyway, i have to say it depends upon what i am doing. assuming i am using the database views for 'my music', or 'my videos', then i definitely prefer the remote. if i am navigating through 'my files', then the controller is much better (because of the fast scroll). i would love to get a remote with more buttons on it, but i have never seen one here in japan and i can't order one as i don't have a credit card. oh well, just have to make do switching i guess :)

Asteron
2005-10-26, 23:31
i used to use remote almost exclusively but then i modded my controller to have a power on button (well technically i modded a karaoke adapter that plugs into the controller). i've been using remote more recently. the analog triggeres are better for list navigation than pageup+pagedown on the remote (i have those mapped to channel up channel down).

stevellion
2005-10-26, 23:48
i got the remote, but only used it to record the remote codes onto my amplifier multi-remote.
i then took out the batteries and put it away - so just use the ir receiver.

i'm back down to 1 remote in the living room again. :cool:

uwer
2005-11-05, 17:34
.rrrreeemote!!!

it's just so much more convenient. don't have one? go out and get one already... *:d

just built in an ir-mod and that even still makes a hell of a difference. being able to turn on the xbox from your couch is so much better than i had hoped.
since the chip is an independent controller, if xbmc (installed as a dashboard, for my convenience...) ever hangs (which it rarely does.), just power-cycle the damn thing without ever even so much effort as to adjust your position on the couch.

if you have a remote, cherish and treasure it. get the original m$ one, btw.

uwer

Livin
2005-11-05, 18:47
.rrrreeemote!!!

it's just so much more convenient. don't have one? go out and get one already... *:d

just built in an ir-mod and that even still makes a hell of a difference. being able to turn on the xbox from your couch is so much better than i had hoped.
since the chip is an independent controller, if xbmc (installed as a dashboard, for my convenience...) ever hangs (which it rarely does.), just power-cycle the damn thing without ever even so much effort as to adjust your position on the couch.

if you have a remote, cherish and treasure it. get the original m$ one, btw.

uwer
which ir mod did you use? post the link pls.

uwer
2005-11-05, 19:18
hi! i got mine here:

http://www.freakware.de/shop/artikeldetails.php?show_artikel=8220

in case you consider building your own:

http://xirremote.tripod.com/

i don't know how many variants are out there, my guess is though, they're basically a very similar design, 'inspired' by xirremote. which would make all of them independent little controllers, which therefore should be able to do the stuff i mentioned above.

there is some hairy soldering involved. i could send you some pictures of the way i mounted mine, if that's any help.
you'd have to grant me a couple of days to make those pics, though. i got four mods and i'm sure the second time around my workmanship will look more elegant than on my first try.

regards, uwer

granqvist
2005-11-11, 16:39
where is the extender remote option? ;)

cheers
granqvist