View Full Version : Change is coming...
Full:
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist1.jpg
Slim:
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist3.jpg
Onion skin:
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist4.jpg
Options:
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist2.jpg
Is Aeon final coming out on April 15th or I am thinking of something else?
Thanks
TC :grin:
When I saw your TV Show mock ups I had a great idea for Movies in a very similar style (of course I didn't have the skills to make it a reality) so I'm really pleased to see this.
Awesome! I assume this is in addition to existing views/layouts, or are these replacing some existing ones?
zheacker
2009-04-14, 00:38
It looks like a new list view
I'm guessing this view is the new list view for movies & TV?
i like the full view the most:nod:
how would it look with out the background bar and the shadows, then add some shading under the icons..
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 00:40
I couldn't help but notice the fanart doesn't match the movies.is this in files mode?
The black panel version is going. The reasons being:
- it looks like it belongs in a different skin
- the texture's not very nice
- it obscures the artwork more than necessary
- it's a bad use of screen space
This, meanwhile:
- will join Showcase in creating a more seamless browsing experience
- doesn't shut out the fanart as much
- looks better
stagecrew
2009-04-14, 00:43
In a few of the other pictures DJH_ posted the fanart doesn't match the movie. I believe this is just because DJH_ prefers to have the matching fanart only come up with the info page. So, it is an option in library mode.
I had always thought that list view looked a little out of place.. this looks fantastic, DJH!
I couldn't help but notice the fanart doesn't match the movies.is this in files mode?
I don't use fanart. It'll support it like any view, though.
Oh, and the scrollbar comes in from the left hand side when you need it.
FernFerret
2009-04-14, 00:56
Wow! Very nice! I can't wait for AEON Final! Looking better and better djh_!
Just a question, do/will these views support studio art?
--FF
Just a question, do/will these views support studio art?
It doesn't look like it and to be honest I think they're better off on the info screen.
Advocate
2009-04-14, 01:11
Next updates looking very sweet djh_
Can't wait! :)
Nazgulled
2009-04-14, 01:29
The black panel version is going. The reasons being:
- it looks like it belongs in a different skin
- the texture's not very nice
- it obscures the artwork more than necessary
- it's a bad use of screen space
This, meanwhile:
- will join Showcase in creating a more seamless browsing experience
- doesn't shut out the fanart as much
- looks better
I was very skeptical about this change just by looking at the screenshots, but now I understand your reasons... It always bugged me that in list view (which I use more) the movies list was so short and now it shows more movies.
The reason I was skeptical is because I'm like you, I don't really care about fanart but I actually don't like any kind of custom backdrop unless I'm in the main menu. And you made this change to show more of the fanart, for people that don't use it, it will show more about the custom (or default) backdrop it seems...
Do the people that use list view really care about fanart or maybe they just care about the movies listing? Maybe you could do a listview where it's only that, a listview. Something like PM3.HD, it has a menu and a file list and that's it. Almost no background wasting space. Of course, I really like how the top menu is presented and hidden in Aeon. I also like the extra info you add to the movies list and the poster, it looks great... It's just that tiny detail, that the custom backdrops I use are still there and it still is a bad use of screen space in my opinion because I'm in file mode, I don't care about what's on the background. You see what I mean?
Maybe this is just me and this is just a suggestion, don't take it as bad critic. I like what you've done here, it looks really great, it's just the background that I don't care (never did unless in the start menu or views that really show it off like showcase) it still shows in the file mode.
Sorry for such a long post...
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist5.jpg
MrTourettes
2009-04-14, 01:45
Wow now that is making my mouth water :)
AshsToAshs
2009-04-14, 01:50
That TV view is looking sexy.
Id love to see some sort of episode description though.
-Ash-
smcnally75
2009-04-14, 01:54
Nice stuff, Duncan!
FernFerret
2009-04-14, 01:55
It doesn't look like it and to be honest I think they're better off on the info screen.
I'm totally cool with it also, but I just wanted to make sure AEON in a whole is going to support Studio Flags.
--FF
djh_ : That TV view looks AMAZING.
midgetspy
2009-04-14, 02:03
I have 2 requests:
1) Progress indicator. This doesn't need to be a scrollbar necessarily (that's what PGUP ad PGDN are for) but being able to tell where I am in my library is crucial. Even just a dot on the side that scrolls for overall library progress would be great.
2) Along the same line, while scrolling show the alphabet letter it's on. This is a great feature that just makes such a view much more usable.
That said I'm stoked for what looks like my new default view! Great work!
Do you have any plans to add a "Fanart" view like that in PM3.HD? A small poster/info along the bottom, a long list along the side, and the rest of the screen is fanart? It seems most of your skins are designed to showcase the poster at the expense of the fanart but it'd be nice to see a view that flips the priority for those with the opposite preference :0)
stagecrew
2009-04-14, 02:47
The Episode list looks fantastic. I suppose I would change what the sub-line says, as I don't really care too much which director directed that particular episode.. A one-line synopsis of episode might be better, or something else, I don't know. But that is something that could be hacked/modded in later. Or an option... (should DJH_'s beautiful face shine on an option he might not use...)
But, really, other than that.. it looks great!
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 03:23
Oh if i might make a suggestion, episode thumbs look cropped in stark they have the same aspect ratio as posters but they need to be 4:3 or close to that. thanks
smcnally75
2009-04-14, 03:28
Oh if i might make a suggestion, episode thumbs look cropped in stark they have the same aspect ratio as posters but they need to be 4:3 or close to that. thanks
Why would they need to be 4:3? There are plenty of 16:9 episode thumbs out there.
FernFerret
2009-04-14, 03:31
I am wrong... apparently feature already exists... Guess I just never noticed...
--FF
Helps to know a bit more about existing options before premature feature requests, don't you think?
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist6.jpg
onesojourner
2009-04-14, 03:50
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist5.jpg
This is totally incredible.
hikaricore
2009-04-14, 04:01
Helps to know a bit more about existing options before premature feature requests, don't you think?
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist6.jpg
Might you consider making the episode thumbs slightly transparent as to show the poster through them? :)
Just my 2 cents, otherwise it looks amazing.
FernFerret
2009-04-14, 04:02
Oh man! I need to go change my pants now...
--FF
ethan_9219
2009-04-14, 04:17
Are there going to be other views for TV shows other than the list view being shown?
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 04:26
Why would they need to be 4:3? There are plenty of 16:9 episode thumbs out there.
Oh i meant width should be larger than height :grin:
Are there going to be other views for TV shows other than the list view being shown?
Yes sir, he posted a thread about the other drool-worthy view a week ago: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=48262. "Complete" mockups on page 2 (and 3 I think).
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 04:32
Helps to know a bit more about existing options before premature feature requests, don't you think?
:laugh: Sorry I didn't see that post.
Does this work in files mode though? that's what i have to use since "the daily show" and others dont scrape well as they use air date in stead of SxxExx.
Yes sir, he posted a thread about the other drool-worthy view a week ago: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=48262. "Complete" mockups on page 2 (and 3 I think).
That's not happening anymore. Really didn't work.
I really liked how you had that Xbox 360 type look with episodes in your mock up is that gone??
Looks incredible!! Definitely fits the rest of the skin a lot better in my opinion as well.
rausch101
2009-04-14, 05:19
djh you beast
On a less important note... I realize you can pretty much tell from the poster/episode thumb, but maybe throw in the TV show name somewhere on the episode list frame too?
EDIT: on second thought, it looks like you might be trying to avoid that. Maybe if you make it look really subtle it won't detract from the current beauty.
That's not happening anymore. Really didn't work.
Oh, I missed that sorry. Is this list-mode in place of that idea, or is there still something coming with more of a movie showcase view?
PainToad
2009-04-14, 05:48
That TV view is looking sexy.
Id love to see some sort of episode description though.
-Ash-
+1, I do like descriptions without having to press the i button. But dam that looks sexy...I mean....good.
Wow, I'll probably still use showcase for movies. But that TV view is awesome. And it's a great improvement for both overall.
ethan_9219
2009-04-14, 06:09
Yes sir, he posted a thread about the other drool-worthy view a week ago: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=48262. "Complete" mockups on page 2 (and 3 I think).
Thanks...Dunno how i missed that.
ethan_9219
2009-04-14, 06:10
That's not happening anymore. Really didn't work.
Oh....well, damn!!!
I just did a variation of your screenshot with a different TV show to see what it would look like..Uploaded it in that thread.
Too bad that idea didn't work, i really liked it.
this looks stunning. unbelievable. all of us cannot wait.
AshsToAshs
2009-04-14, 07:36
Sorry for that premature feature request, thanks for setting me straight.
Im loving those one-line episode descriptions!
Your doing great work, keep it up!
-Ash-
cyrus_mc
2009-04-14, 08:25
These changes just look sick. You are unbelievable. Can't wait to try these out.
I for one applaud the fact that original ideas (sketches) did pan out, these look much more like they fit in the aesthetics of Aeon and I'm already sold on the idea of seeing series artwork behind the episode artwork. :D
And like the person who suggested series name label, I too (+1) think that would complement the visuals you have going here.. Perhaps with the "number of episodes" label "STAR TREK, 44 Episodes". Think of it as thinking out loud, more than a feature request (I can just add myself later anyway..) :)
I think djh_ meant .... a change of pants!!! :D
Steve_McQueen
2009-04-14, 10:19
I guess I'm the only one that find the poster / episode thumb combo... strange.
I don't know, but to me it doesn't look like they fit together. Doesn't feel as organized as the rest of the skin. :oo:
Isn't there also a redundancy? Having a dominant visual part like the poster repeated through 24 episodes. Is season/series poster really needed past selection?
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 11:57
Oh is there a way we can have an adult section like in the old Aeon?
Thanks.
ezechiel1917
2009-04-14, 12:17
I guess I'm the only one that find the poster / episode thumb combo... strange.
I don't know, but to me it doesn't look like they fit together. Doesn't feel as organized as the rest of the skin. :oo:
Isn't there also a redundancy? Having a dominant visual part like the poster repeated through 24 episodes. Is season/series poster really needed past selection?
I agree. It would look much better if episode picture would be just under the poster so you can see whole poster.
Anyway I love the new view for movies!
And like the person who suggested series name label, I too (+1) think that would complement the visuals you have going here.. Perhaps with the "number of episodes" label "STAR TREK, 44 Episodes". Think of it as thinking out loud, more than a feature request (I can just add myself later anyway..) :)
I actually had that in mind but couldn't find the label. Duh. So yes, it'll be there.
eriksmith200
2009-04-14, 12:35
looks great! :)
A (possibly premature) feature request: it would be nice if the opacity of the background of the list is configurable
You didn't really look at the first post, did you.
can we get a pic of this view for Music?
im really looking forward to these list views. nothing better than a nice simple list sometimes. they look gorgeous
+1, I do like descriptions without having to press the i button. But dam that looks sexy...I mean....good.
+1 TV show information without having to press a button would be great for me also. Thing that I am wishing for most is a Watched Overlay as I can never remember the last episode I watched.
:confused2:
Steve_McQueen
2009-04-14, 15:04
Question. Would it be a good idea to separate out the episode number in it's own column, or have the description not go right under it ?
Right now it's a little difficult to see when your eyes are traveling the screen.
nemrod95
2009-04-14, 15:16
Yes, thanks DJH, theses screens look good.
Like Broads, watched overlay (like in Horizonz for example) would be great
Thanks again DJH for your great work
Well, before everyone decides to chip in with their fine-tuning suggestions for something that's not even roughly tuned - oh wait, you've beaten me to it.
To save you any more time, I should probably stress that the TV show bit might not even be used. I'd still rather have a separate style for that section, so take those screens with a pinch of salt. All that switching between fanarts and content types is a bit too much for this view.
El Massman
2009-04-14, 16:54
I should probably stress that the TV show bit might not even be used.
if that's the case, is there any chance of releasing an update using this as the placeholder rather than the standard list view we have now?
i second that, this looks amazing
Steve_McQueen
2009-04-14, 17:26
Well, before everyone decides to chip in with their fine-tuning suggestions for something that's not even roughly tuned - oh wait, you've beaten me to it.
What did you expect. :laugh:
Thought that was one of the reasons why you post early screenshots. I know I can go a little blind when dealing with my own designs. And to be fair, we didn't really have any idea how tuned they where.;)
To save you any more time, I should probably stress that the TV show bit might not even be used. I'd still rather have a separate style for that section, so take those screens with a pinch of salt. All that switching between fanarts and content types is a bit too much for this view.
Good to know, salt has been taken.
Movie view looks lovely. :nod:
What did you expect. :laugh:
Thought that was one of the reasons why you post early screenshots. I know I can go a little blind when dealing with my own designs. And to be fair, we didn't really have any idea how tuned they where.;)
Guilty as charged. :blush:
The problem with using this list as a stopgap for TV is that it takes a lot more work to integrate than movies and music, simply because you have so many awkward transitions. I also didn't really have TV shows in mind when designing it, so I'm hesitant to hammer it into a shape that wasn't intended. I was just mucking about a bit when trying out those episode thumbnails.
There's actually quite a bit of work involved here, from finding a replacement to the old panel view to weaving this view in properly and ensuring that TV has its own substitute. So the good news is that when I upload this update, you'll probably have the TV stuff as well. That's also the bad news, though, because you might have to wait a bit.
Anyway, I've tweaked the textures and 'lighting' a bit. Obviously there are potential legibility issues with the subtle colours but they'll be addressed.
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist8.jpg
And for the fanart whores:
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist7.jpg
First of all, thanks for a great skin! Love the design of the new view but want to give my 2 cent on the TV-SHOW layout.
Id love to se a 3-level layout with:
1) TV-Shows
2) Season
3) Episodes
Despite my lack of skills in graphic design i'v tried to sketch up what I mean. I think this layout would look great with the design you have posted in this tread!
Level 1:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4896/level1a.jpg
Level 2:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4183/level2.jpg
Level 3:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1220/level3e.jpg
If this post brings nothing new to the table or conflicts with the Aeon vision, please feel free to delete post.
Btw, love this view for movies!
smcnally75
2009-04-14, 18:04
If this post brings nothing new to the table or conflicts with the Aeon vision, please feel free to delete post.
Btw, love this view for movies!
Is there any reason you are putting advertisements in your post? :no:
omg, that are some awesome screenshots mate ! I like it a lot.
Sorry about that, just uploaded the pictures to Image-shack, didnt know it would have advertisements in them!
stagecrew
2009-04-14, 18:10
Is there any reason you are putting advertisements in your post? :no:
I think that was imageshack doing that to him.
smcnally75
2009-04-14, 18:15
I think that was imageshack doing that to him.
Yup...that was it! FYI, instead of using their advertisement loaded URL, right click on the picture and select "Copy image location", then paste it between IMG tags like this.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4896/level1a.jpg[/IMG ]
and it will show up like this
[IMG]http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4896/level1a.jpg
lestat1977uk
2009-04-14, 18:40
Simply amazing!
I love this concept. Great work djh.
Just wondering if a bit more contrast, both with the selected movie and in between Title and Movie Details, could be more readable or nicer. I find it a bit too subtle. Maybe inverting color (White on Black) with selected movie, for example, or making the font a bit distinct between Title and Movie info. Or playing with other colors. I don't know, just and idea.
On the same line, a bit more contrast would be ideal between cast and playing roles in Info Details Screen.
Just my 2 cents, but I want to insist, wonderful job, Duncan. You are really quick translating your paper&pencil mockups into life, beautifully.
eriksmith200
2009-04-14, 20:42
You didn't really look at the first post, did you.
uhhh i guess "onion skin" means configurable opacity for list background? :laugh:
cyrus_mc
2009-04-14, 21:41
That's not happening anymore. Really didn't work.
Really? Dang, I kind of liked the look of that TV mock up. Oh well, you know what works and what doesn't.
kruykaze
2009-04-14, 21:48
And for the fanart whores:
:laugh:
smcnally75
2009-04-14, 21:55
And for the fanart whores:
Hey! You're the guy that got a lot of us hooked on fanart! That's like a crack dealer complaining about all the crackheads hanging around his place :grin:
The-Boxhead
2009-04-14, 22:06
very interesting ideas djh ! keep those coming and lets see what comes
out in the other end :)
Btw- whenever you feel like it... i have some thoughts on the picture/slideshow part of xbmc. I know you prolly dont think of that right now but when the time comes... ;) The picture slideshow part of xbmc
has regretfully been kept back skin/feature wise for a long time. I use
the picture browser alott to show pictures to familly and friends when they visit. Would be really nice to see some new fresh stuff also in this section.
But then again maybe im just one of the few peeps who is using this function ?
Again exellent work so far !!
PS! i would gladly help out coding some new stuff up, as i've been looking into possible functions lately...
Nazgulled
2009-04-14, 22:46
But then again maybe im just one of the few peeps who is using this function ?
Naaah, I also use it from time to time :cool:
ethan_9219
2009-04-15, 04:46
But then again maybe im just one of the few peeps who is using this function ?
At this moment, i don't use it that often. But, i really WANT to use it a lot. Viewing family photos, holiday photos and anything else like that on the HTPC would be great for the members of my family who aren't tech savvy...So browsing and choosing should be easy and inuitive.
So +1 from me on the pictures/photos section of this. I don't know whether this sort of stuff has to be accomplished in XBMC, though, rather than Aeon skin? I'm guessing XBMC first.
any idea when the new changes will be released?
The-Boxhead
2009-04-15, 17:06
There has been some discussion on adding a function to xbmc itself to read
image tags and exif info and scan them to a sql database. Much the same as for music and video.
Thread:
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22407
However progress hasn't been going along fast due to noe big interest from potential developers. so if there are any developers who feel like implementing such features please do so :)
With a database it would bring totally new features to the pictures section and skinners has alott more room to create something cool.
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlistmusic1.jpg
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlistmusic2.jpg
pletopia
2009-04-15, 19:36
nice :)
Awww!!! That is just gorgeous djh! I can not stress enough how lucky we all are to have you here. I remember not to long ago when I was on a Vista Media Center forum and everyone was talking about this "Aeon" thing...well needless to say I was intrigued and have never looked back since! Really, thanks so much for making my media center look so so fly. :cool:
Question: Is that the cached thumb or the movie.tbn?
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist1.jpg
One on top of the other, just like the info page. Totally smooth with local shares, and a nice subtle change with remote ones.
One on top of the other, just like the info page. Totally smooth with local shares, and a nice subtle change with remote ones.
Excellent. :grin:
Looks very promising! when can we expect these changes to be implemented? (roughly).
Can't wait for the update, looks amazing, specially the Music selection. Good stuff.
Can't wait for the update, looks amazing, specially the Music selection. Good stuff.
Seconded - Nice work.
Really nice! please let us use this for series also, make some kind of option for it if you make a even better later :) I love it :)
Maybe there is a Viewed flag also somewhere, just a small one just need a tiny tiny one in some corner somewhere ;)
tuckbodi
2009-04-16, 23:03
In the Music section, shouldn't the album name be displayed alongside the band? I have some album covers w/o the names displayed on the album cover. Just a thought. Maybe "Band | Album Name" underneath the Song Name? I know it'll look redundant but how else to show what the name of the album is?
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_list_tv1.jpg
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_list_tv2.jpg
ccMatrix
2009-04-16, 23:26
Do you plan on having 16:9, HD, (network) ... flags in this view as well? Maybe overlay on the episode pic.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-16, 23:26
Hey Djh,
Looking fabulous as usual ;) Can't wait to get my greedy paws on this!
Do me a favor and check your PM's. I got a present for you.
Cheers,
Rand
I don't think there's any consistent flagging method for TV shows yet. (i.e. one that works seamlessly across shows, seasons and episodes). Correct me if I'm wrong.
El Massman
2009-04-16, 23:36
@djh_ any plans for a watched/unwatched icon? something small and unobtrusive under the rating might look good.
midgetspy
2009-04-16, 23:56
I don't think there's any consistent flagging method for TV shows yet. (i.e. one that works seamlessly across shows, seasons and episodes). Correct me if I'm wrong.
We could at least get the media info if it was added to the NFO somehow using MIP, right?
ccMatrix
2009-04-17, 00:02
I don't think there's any consistent flagging method for TV shows yet. (i.e. one that works seamlessly across shows, seasons and episodes). Correct me if I'm wrong.
I had hoped there was some more information in the database. I looked through the data with SQLite explorer and I don't think there is any flagging information available which could be used.
About the NFO idea: I think it would make more sense if the time was put into adding support for reading this information into XBMC than adding the NFO hack everywhere and updating all the various helper tools. Does anybody know about the status of the branch which was started to add support for reading all the additional video and audio information like resolution, codec etc. ?
Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun. :;):
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_list_tv2.jpg
We could at least get the media info if it was added to the NFO somehow using MIP, right?
The problem is that you have two separate nfo files for each TV show: a tvshow.nfo file for the show itself, and then further ones for each episode. I can't say I've found a field in the former that you could embed anything in, and like someone else said, there has to be a point where scattering all this info becomes counterproductive. So I'd say wait until a more official solution becomes available.
Last I heard the watched status in NFO files was no longer being used by XBMC.
Wraith88
2009-04-17, 01:50
sorry if this is an annoying question but:
1) Any rough idea about when aeon final will come out?
2) Is the version you are showing off the one on github, and if not is it possile to get the experimental versions?
Last I heard the watched status in NFO files was no longer being used by XBMC.
I think you are right, what I think is that XBMC use the tag:
<playcount></playcount>
if the number is more then 0 then the movie/episode is watched!
Bye
Max
LaTropa64
2009-04-17, 02:15
The black panel version is going. The reasons being:
- it looks like it belongs in a different skin
The current list view looks like it fits the skin perfectly. It's a great match for the homescreen. It's just like a thicker version of that main menu.
Not that I don't think the new view looks great but I guess I'm one of the few who liked the list view as it is.
redtapemedia
2009-04-17, 12:41
Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun. :;):
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_list_tv2.jpg
awesome... red dwarf is a great show and that screenshot looks fantastic!
DJH: Just wondering about expanding the description on the highlighted show / movie. You could probably hide the writer when it's selected. I don't know if it's technically possible within the confines of XBMC but you could also expand the whole highlighted section down a bit so it was a double height cell? I know probably one of those premature requests :P
Great work anyway, Aeon shines above all the other skins in my book! ;)
Would be awsome to hide episode info as default and when you select episode for a while info will show and next episode will move down as on picture.
http://zapodaj.net/images/9812300.jpg
pletopia
2009-04-17, 15:33
this looks really nice for list view .. but from using the old aeon alpha and then horizon .. i liked viewing season level and episode level in the showcase mode .. not list mode
this view though would look great for TV Shows -> Newest Releases (which i use most often for tv shows) though
redtapemedia
2009-04-17, 15:38
Would be awsome to hide episode info as default and when you select episode for a while info will show and next episode will move down as on picture.
yeah that's the sort of think I was talking about... but with a nicer font :D lol
As great as this new list view looks, one thing that I think has always been a detriment to Aeon is how it uses the same (or nearly the same) views for each media type. Aside from the tv views, dedicated album/songs views are definitely #1 on my wishlist for Aeon. I know you're still planning on dedicated TV Shows views somewhere down the line, but have you considered dedicated music views as well?
As great as this new list view looks, one thing that I think has always been a detriment to Aeon is how it uses the same (or nearly the same) views for each media type.
I agree, though unfortunately I don't have the time any more to really pound out multiple views. To be honest, I think I made a rod for my own back when Showcase turned out so well - that and the predominantly neutral colour scheme. But then I can't trust my useless eyes to see colours properly in the first place, so that explains that.
What's really needed is someone with tremendous vision and mock-up skills to come along and resolve this issue once and for all, in a manner that doesn't jar with the rest of the skin. I'm not entirely happy with this List any more than the last one, and the grey-on-grey colour scheme surely can't be right. But I don't think I'm the guy to fix it so we're pretty stuck. Ho-hum.
kakihara1
2009-04-17, 20:06
I agree, though unfortunately I don't have the time any more to really pound out multiple views. To be honest, I think I made a rod for my own back when Showcase turned out so well - that and the predominantly neutral colour scheme. But then I can't trust my useless eyes to see colours properly in the first place, so that explains that.
What's really needed is someone with tremendous vision and mock-up skills to come along and resolve this issue once and for all, in a manner that doesn't jar with the rest of the skin. I'm not entirely happy with this List any more than the last one, and the grey-on-grey colour scheme surely can't be right. But I don't think I'm the guy to fix it so we're pretty stuck. Ho-hum.
I think the views are fine as they are but if improvements can be made then that would just be a bonus.
I have an interesting issue that I can't seem to resolve and I've found no info searching so I'm sorry if I've overlooked the answer in the forums.
Basically when I select "Info" on a movie and the poster art comes up on the left and details are on the right, a few of the icons are scrambled and unreadable, notably the mpaa rating, the DD, or DTS logo, and the resolution logo, maybe a couple more things but that's what I remember off the top of my head. I'm using the latest stark full release. Does anyone know what would cause the issue for me? I'm sure it's something simple I've overlooked, but I can't figure it out. Thanks.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-17, 20:08
Just a suggestion, I have always been really fond of the list view from my last Aeon mod. If you hover on a movie/episode the list disappears and a nice big info area slides in from the side. In this case, you could just have the list fade out and the text fade in, instead of sliding. That way you can use the same background that the list uses. That way you don't have to "cram" a bunch of extra info into the list, just the basics. Then when the info slides in, you have a ton of realestate to work with. If you don't remember what I am talking about, I think I have a video of it in action somewhere.
Cheers,
Rand
I suppose the return of the sliding info panel would resolve a lot of these issues, and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered it. Hmm.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-17, 20:14
I suppose the return of the sliding info panel would resolve a lot of these issues, and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered it. Hmm.
It was always a favorite of mine. It worked well in showcase, but to be honest, I think I liked it even better in the list view. Do you still have the mod I sent? If not, I can send it again. Although, I am sure you probably have some insanely awesome idea brewing in that head of yours ;)
Just a suggestion, I have always been really fond of the list view from my last Aeon mod. If you hover on a movie/episode the list disappears and a nice big info area slides in from the side. In this case, you could just have the list fade out and the text fade in, instead of sliding. That way you can use the same background that the list uses. That way you don't have to "cram" a bunch of extra info into the list, just the basics. Then when the info slides in, you have a ton of realestate to work with. If you don't remember what I am talking about, I think I have a video of it in action somewhere.
Cheers,
Rand
I agree with reasons above for a fader vs. a slider. Could be really sweet.
In this case, you could just have the list fade out and the text fade in, instead of sliding. That way you can use the same background that the list uses. That way you don't have to "cram" a bunch of extra info into the list, just the basics. Then when the info slides in, you have a ton of realestate to work with. If you don't remember what I am talking about, I think I have a video of it in action somewhere.
Cheers,
Rand
That's pretty much how I envisioned an idea for a skin when I first saw the TV Show sketchbook. A list view where more info would fade in when you stopped on an item and selecting it took you further into the folders. Shame I don't have either the design skills or the skinning skills to make it a reality.
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_yetanotherlist1.jpg
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_yetanotherlist2.jpg
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 01:59
I think that's the best color scheme you showed us so far... Will you change the whole skin to mach?
By the way, the stars look a little odd, aren't you going to make them better looking?
To finish, I know you said the info below the title could be configured, does that mean I can just have the running time if I want to?
The stars look odd because they're downscaled from a much larger size. The problem is that you can only have one set of images for stars in XBMC, so there's little that can be done if have larger stars elsewhere. That new colour scheme was actually based on the fullscreen info page and the context menu - I see no reason why it can be extended to other new views.
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 02:06
The rows are much more darker than any other part of the skin, for instance, the button menu, the brightness and colors on both are very different.
Honestly, fanart with a view that covers that much screen looks almost like an excuse to not have to design a dedicated background.
Well, dedicated backdrops are easy. Doesn't mean you can't have custom artwork, though.
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_yetanotherlist3.jpg
The rows are much more darker than any other part of the skin, for instance, the button menu, the brightness and colors on both are very different.
Ah, I actually tweaked the button menu to match but didn't commit the change. That's all changing at some point anyway.
Well, dedicated backdrops are easy. Doesn't mean you can't have custom artwork, though.
I guess that's true. Maybe an option like we have with the current wall view would be in order then?
edit: Actually, for music that looks pretty nice since the album art doesn't cover quite as much.
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 02:37
Yeah, I'm talking about the last version on GIT. That darker gray/aqua menu is not on the button/context menus on GIT, and I much prefer this new version you are showing and I like consistent things lol...
I don't think there's any more menus that would need to be matched. Maybe the whole settings dialog but maybe that's too much work...
Keep up the good work, it's looking very nice :)
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 02:40
Honestly, fanart with a view that covers that much screen looks almost like an excuse to not have to design a dedicated background.
Have you ever though there are some people that don't care/use fanart? I for one, couldn't care less of the fanart... I actually wish for a bigger menu to cover most of the screen and display more content...
Have you ever though there are some people that don't care/use fanart? I for one, couldn't care less of the fanart... I actually wish for a bigger menu to cover most of the screen and display more content...
That's what I meant, actually. I indended that more as a request for disabling fanart altogether in this view rather than the other way.
Have you ever though there are some people that don't care/use fanart? I for one, couldn't care less of the fanart... I actually wish for a bigger menu to cover most of the screen and display more content...
Dont like fanart?! :eek:
It's the best thing since sliced bread imho. Just my opinion of course, but I couldn't resist.
That's what I meant, actually. I indended that more as a request for disabling fanart altogether in this view rather than the other way.
Don't worry. I understood what you meant. :;):
i would love to see it more like this, with out the shading & bar in the background...
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj4/Og_one/aeon_yrlist3.jpg
I don't see why that shouldn't be an option. Not just yet, though.
HexusOdy
2009-04-18, 11:07
I disagree. I think it look sbetter with the bar etc like the original.
In fact I think it should be implemented as list view in this last incarnation and left at that. The colour scheme and layout look spot on and at the end of the day you could probably design and redesign any view over and over and each would have people that love it and people that don't.
Although, none of these new images shows TV with Episode view. I'm not convinced about having the Episode thumb overlap the TV SHow thumb. Might be best just to do away with the TV poster and just have the EPisode thumb in TV mode.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8206/aoentvsection.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aoentvsection.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/)
Thats only a concept idea but something like that would be great! :) WideIcon support is a musthave I think ;). And yep I know there are a lot of mistakes.. but maybe someone is inspired
Although, none of these new images shows TV with Episode view. I'm not convinced about having the Episode thumb overlap the TV SHow thumb. Might be best just to do away with the TV poster and just have the EPisode thumb in TV mode.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 18:01
Dont like fanart?! :eek:
It's the best thing since sliced bread imho. Just my opinion of course, but I couldn't resist.
Couldn't care less... I actually want to watch the Shows or the Movies, not to stare at some background... Generic backgrounds are more than enough for me (just so the background is not empty with an opaque color). That's why I've created a repository (posted somewhere in the forum) with only generic backdrops and it seems I'm not the only one that likes it that way.
eriksmith200
2009-04-18, 18:09
Couldn't care less... I actually want to watch the Shows or the Movies, not to stare at some background... Generic backgrounds are more than enough for me (just so the background is not empty with an opaque color). That's why I've created a repository (posted somewhere in the forum) with only generic backdrops and it seems I'm not the only one that likes it that way.
I like the generic backdrops for the homescreen (as I posted in the thread you mention), but I want to see fanart in the movie/tv show submenus
Nazgulled
2009-04-18, 18:12
Well, we are all different aren't we? :P
pletopia
2009-04-18, 18:23
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8206/aoentvsection.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aoentvsection.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/)
Thats only a concept idea but something like that would be great! :) WideIcon support is a musthave I think ;). And yep I know there are a lot of mistakes.. but maybe someone is inspired
banners integrated within list view for the tv section .. i'm a fan :)
lompelurt
2009-04-18, 18:47
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8206/aoentvsection.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aoentvsection.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img253/aoentvsection.jpg/1/)
Thats only a concept idea but something like that would be great! :) WideIcon support is a musthave I think ;). And yep I know there are a lot of mistakes.. but maybe someone is inspired
That looks pretty awsome actually :grin:
Steve_McQueen
2009-04-18, 18:52
Although, none of these new images shows TV with Episode view. I'm not convinced about having the Episode thumb overlap the TV SHow thumb. Might be best just to do away with the TV poster and just have the EPisode thumb in TV mode.
I've been thinking the same thing.
I guess I'm the only one that find the poster / episode thumb combo... strange.
I don't know, but to me it doesn't look like they fit together. Doesn't feel as organized as the rest of the skin. :oo:
Isn't there also a redundancy? Having a dominant visual part like the poster repeated through 24 episodes. Is season/series poster really needed past selection?
Thought about that to, just figured I leave that under the salt til you got a clearer idea what you wanted. :;):
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-18, 19:11
banners integrated within list view for the tv section .. i'm a fan :)
The whole banners vs. posters thing has been discussed many times over the life of Aeon. Djh has made it pretty clear that he does not understand or like wide banners. At first, I was bummed about it. Then after working on the Aeon mods that I made, I totally agree with him. The whole concept of having a different style and shape of image for a tv show seems really strange. For movies we either represent the Poster or the Dvd cover in the library. Why should tv shows have a completely different shape? They come on DVD's as well. If I am not mistaken, it was tv.com that started using wide banners across the top of each show's info page. I can understand their logic. They needed an image that would fit the basic width of the page where they had a large amount of information to display. So it makes sense that it would be wide and short, like a site banner. On a media center it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, from an artistic perspective, you are pretty limited with what you can do on a banner. It is easier to fit in the show's name in a large font, but that information can be displayed anywhere.
The only thing I could really see the banner logically being used for would be on the video info page. It is the only place that makes sense, since it has a lot of information to be displayed (the same reason that tv.com started using them). You could do something similar to the movie-big.png scheme. You could have the banner in the tvshow folder saved as banner.jpg that would would be called when you hit the info button. If it was done right, I think it could work. Other than that, banners just don't make a ton of sense. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Rand
pletopia
2009-04-18, 22:53
well .. i think with the right tweaking of opacities .. and adding appropriate textures .. it might look really kick ass in a list view
sentinel41
2009-04-20, 22:20
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_yetanotherlist1.jpg
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/435063/aeonscreens/aeon_yetanotherlist2.jpg
That is hot. I want to have your babies.
And it's available now.
Is this change on the master git or the new argulia (what ever the new version is called, I get all confused with naming updates rather then numbers)?
I have the git client on linux... is the new test update available for users to DL?
Is it possible to have different layouts (Full/Slim) when using the same view for different sections or would it involve making each a separate view?
The reason I ask is because Albums looks great in Full -
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4410/screenshot002f.png
and Tracks look better in Slim -
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8861/screenshot001igu.png
smcnally75
2009-04-20, 23:38
How do you fade the list texture? I can't seem to find that setting.
nemrod95
2009-04-20, 23:49
+1 like Hitcher. It would be great to have different layout in sections. I don't know if it's possible ? Thanks Djh for your great work
Is it possible to have different layouts (Full/Slim) when using the same view for different sections or would it involve making each a separate view?
I'll have a think about whether it's feasible. Incidentally, I notice you're using the old font with the dodgy sizing on numeric glyphs. I fixed that but never uploaded the font, and obviously the git version doesn't have any fonts at all. I'll upload a new font set to the website later.
How do you fade the list texture? I can't seem to find that setting.
Panel - Thick or Thin.
Couple of other observations -
a) When you have TV seasons stacked there's no indicator in the list of episodes as to what season they belong to.
b) Poster loading delay caused by 'movie.tbn' stored on external drives.
However, changing <texture diffuse="list/list_movieicon_mask.png">$INFO[listitem.path]movie.tbn</texture> to <texture diffuse="list/list_movieicon_mask.png">ListItem.Thumb</texture> solves this and as the poster isn't large (like in the info screen) there's little difference in quality.
b) Poster loading delay caused by 'movie.tbn' stored on external drives.
It should be loading the cached version of the thumbnail behind the hi-res one, though. Is that not happening?
I'll look into it. There are a few issues with those largeimage thumbnails I need to check out.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-21, 01:01
@djh
It might not be a bad idea to use the overlay of the movie.tbn over the cached image on all views. That way, people who have set the cache really low to keep scrolling and browsing speeds decent can still have decent quality images when they stop on an item.
Hey Rand, you might know this. How do I get these largeimage thumbnails to disappear when they're no longer relevant? At the moment, the last displayed largeimage stays visible until another one replaces it, irrespective of any intervening listitems which don't have artwork.
For example, if I'm scrolling down through Transformers, Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen and Transformers: The Movie, and the middle one doesn't have a movie.tbn file, it'll keep displaying the first Transformers one until it reaches Transformers: The Movie. Ideally, that first one would fade out for the second one.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-21, 01:24
Hey Rand, you might know this. How do I get these largeimage thumbnails to disappear when they're no longer relevant? At the moment, the last displayed largeimage stays visible until another one replaces it, irrespective of any intervening listitems which don't have artwork.
For example, if I'm scrolling down through Transformers, Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen and Transformers: The Movie, and the middle one doesn't have a movie.tbn file, it'll keep displaying the first Transformers one until it reaches Transformers: The Movie. Ideally, that first one would fade out for the second one.
I am at work right now, so I will have to check for sure when I get home, but I think it is "VisibleChange" that does it. I had trouble with that on the fanart transitions. If you look at the code that I sent you before, it is whatever one I was using there. You might also have to include the "fake" image that I used. That seemed to be the "magic trick" to get them to fade in and out instead of just in. Let me know if that doesn't work and I will put in some time tracking it down when I get home ;)
Cheers,
Rand
jmarshall
2009-04-21, 01:35
If you have a fallback it should fallback to that with no info, or no image I should think.
I tried this, jm, but it still exhibits the same behaviour.
<control type="largeimage">
<width>346</width>
<height>511</height>
<fadetime>400</fadetime>
<texture fallback="defaultvideobig.png" diffuse="list/list_movieicon_mask.png">$INFO[listitem.path]movie.tbn</texture>
<visible>Container.Content(movies)</visible>
</control>
jmarshall
2009-04-21, 03:17
Use $INFO[listitem.path,,movie.tbn] instead. You want the infolabel to be empty if there's nothing available (currently it'll just be "movie.tbn")
That still won't work, though, will it? If there's a listitem.path available but no movie.tbn in it, won't it just return the path?
jmarshall
2009-04-21, 06:27
Ah - you're right, ofcourse. It's not possible to do in that case. Only in the case of an infolabel returning empty do we fallback.
I think there's certainly a case to be made for dropping back to nothing (or the fallback) when the texture fails to load - just have to ensure that nothing else is screwed up in the process (i.e. probably a post 9.04 thing).
Cheers,
Jonathan
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-22, 01:59
djh,
did you try the same conditional visibility voodoo that you use for fanart? If I am reading you correctly, that is exactly what was happening originally with the fanart until I figured out the proper combination of condition types and started using that 1px blank image that fades in. Let me know.
Cheers,
Rand
By the way, submenu and new pictures views look awesome. This new list view is probably my favorite view right now because I can navigate through so many items with out it slowing down the system. Would be great to see some fade in info on this view ;) Great work.
thrasherx
2009-04-22, 10:34
Am I the only one that has issues with the "Hide Watched" feature? It seems to be mapped backwards, i.e. turning it on shows everything, and turning it off hides watched content.
And it's available now.
From where?
Latest change at http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/master is from 11/4 ?
/Söder
From where?
Latest change at http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/master is from 11/4 ?
/Söder
http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/auriga
http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/auriga
Thanks.
I got the 0.91 from the aeonproject.com and then the "update" from http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/master
Is it only to get the stuff from http://github.com/djh/aeon/tree/auriga and add to the same dir?
/Söder
I just downloaded the whole Auriga and kept it separate from Aeon for now.
I just downloaded the whole Auriga and kept it separate from Aeon for now.
So its not just updated files? I thought at least the master branch was just an update?
/Söder
I now added the new files, and I like the things that was done with the list.
Showcase is nice, but not always the best way to browse.
And I also liked what was done with the first menu, when pressing down on music, videos and movies. That is really helpful to easy access the new added episodes and movies.
I still miss something to indicate what movies and episode that are already being watched. But I guess thats on the way...
Thanks.
/Söder
thrasherx, yes the hide watched: on and off is backwards.
Also djh, talking to cptspiff, he has put in so when you press info on a non-playable file, (ie, a show or a season, rather than a movie or an episode) the watch button on the info page is actually called browse so it will open the directory below it.
This would help me alot, as what I am trying to do is when in my video library, make my select button open the info page before i click watch to play a file, so i can bask in the glory of full screen info.
Am I the only one that has issues with the "Hide Watched" feature? It seems to be mapped backwards, i.e. turning it on shows everything, and turning it off hides watched content.
Works fine here. You do realise that ON/OFF is the current status.
Works fine here. You do realise that ON/OFF is the current status.
Ive noticed this to..
For me now, the text "ON" show me all episodes.
Pressing it when I see "ON" switch the text to OFF and I dont see the episodes being watched.
I guess the text is what is going to be. If that right o not, I dont know.
/Söder
thrasherx
2009-04-22, 18:36
Works fine here. You do realise that ON/OFF is the current status.
Yes, I realize that, but that's not what it does. When it reads "HIDE WATCHED:ON" it displays ALL of my videos. When I change it to "HIDE WATCHED:OFF" it hides the watched items. That's not the way it works in any other skin, including Aeon Stark. That's why I think that it's mapped backwards.
BTW, is this where I shall say what bugs Ive found?
When I press "mute" the "muted" that are showed are not in the middle of the square?
/Söder
Yes, I realize that, but that's not what it does. When it reads "HIDE WATCHED:ON" it displays ALL of my videos. When I change it to "HIDE WATCHED:OFF" it hides the watched items. That's not the way it works in any other skin, including Aeon Stark. That's why I think that it's mapped backwards.
You're correct - I've just updated and it's now not working properly.
Incidentally, I notice you're using the old font with the dodgy sizing on numeric glyphs. I fixed that but never uploaded the font, and obviously the git version doesn't have any fonts at all. I'll upload a new font set to the website later.
Did you get around to uploading this yet?
a) When you have TV seasons stacked there's no indicator in the list of episodes as to what season they belong to.
I've added the season to the episode number in the Viewtype_List.xml by replacing all 3 occurrences of -
<label>$INFO[ListItem.Episode]</label>
with
<label>$INFO[ListItem.Season].$INFO[ListItem.Episode]</label>
Not sure if it can be made conditional on whether 'Flatten TV Shows' is always enabled though.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2421/screenshot001t.png
Montellese
2009-04-22, 19:49
Btw did you remove the seperators in the context menu (when pressing S or C on my keyboard) or should they be there like in the new list view? Because I don't see them but they were there in ealier releases.
Did I mention that I love the new submenu? ;-)
Here is some screenshot of what I found thats not correct.
Please move this msg if in the wrong place:
First we have the thing with "hide watched:ON/OFF"
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot002.jpg
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot003.jpg
Then Ive found that the "muted" sign are not well placed.
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot005.jpg
And then in "list mode" and scrolling enable, it not always looks so good. Also showed in the "hide watched: ON/OFF" screens
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot001.jpg
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot004.jpg
Last, I wonder if its possilbe to add episode and season number to the info in this screen?
http://biphome.spray.se/soder15/screenshot006.jpg
Thanks.
/Söder
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-23, 03:53
@djh
This might have been covered and please excuse me if it has ;) There seems to be no way of turning flags off for this view. Personally (and this would go for all views) I would like to see a way to leave flags on but only to show the available flags. So for example if all of my movies have studio info (as I am waiting for the resolution info to come from XBMC), the studio icons would show but instead of having "?'s" for the rest of the flags, just have nothing at all.
ccMatrix
2009-04-23, 04:04
@djh
This might have been covered and please excuse me if it has ;) There seems to be no way of turning flags off for this view. Personally (and this would go for all views) I would like to see a way to leave flags on but only to show the available flags. So for example if all of my movies have studio info (as I am waiting for the resolution info to come from XBMC), the studio icons would show but instead of having "?'s" for the rest of the flags, just have nothing at all.
In Customize -> Advanced -> Views you can disable "Default icons for media flags" and then it only shows those that are available and hides the "?" images in all views.
Rand Al Thor
2009-04-23, 04:31
In Customize -> Advanced -> Views you can disable "Default icons for media flags" and then it only shows those that are available and hides the "?" images in all views.
hey look at that ;) when did that get in there?
Montellese
2009-04-23, 08:49
It's there ever since the media flags are available.
FernFerret
2009-04-23, 10:31
Here is some screenshot of what I found thats not correct.
Please move this msg if in the wrong place:
First we have the thing with "hide watched:ON/OFF"
Then Ive found that the "muted" sign are not well placed.
And then in "list mode" and scrolling enable, it not always looks so good. Also showed in the "hide watched: ON/OFF" screens
Last, I wonder if its possilbe to add episode and season number to the info in this screen?
Thanks.
/Söder
I think almost all of these items are covered in the Alpha Skin, maybe even pre alpha. You are using an incomplete Bleeding Edge build. There are many problems.
The Dual lines of text have been noted in other posts, as well as the watched on/off
I'm not sure what you mean by it's not placed well, it's in the same place as the volume, I like it there.
Last, TV view is nowhere near done, and I noticed that the info has changed drastically from the main trunk (It was just the thumb and name, no background) so i'm sure this information will get put in when tv shows are fully supported.
djh_ is hard at work, be patient :)
--FF
I think almost all of these items are covered in the Alpha Skin, maybe even pre alpha. You are using an incomplete Bleeding Edge build. There are many problems.
The Dual lines of text have been noted in other posts, as well as the watched on/off
I'm not sure what you mean by it's not placed well, it's in the same place as the volume, I like it there.
Last, TV view is nowhere near done, and I noticed that the info has changed drastically from the main trunk (It was just the thumb and name, no background) so i'm sure this information will get put in when tv shows are fully supported.
djh_ is hard at work, be patient :)
--FF
OK. I only wanted to help and tell what Ive found.
The text MUTED should be in the middle of the big grey square? Shouldnt it?
/Söder
Trust me, I appreciate your effort in pointing them out. Fact is, though, that some of the issues (like the plots screwing up) aren't strictly caused by Aeon while others will be naturally mopped up by the continued re-texturing. Auriga has a fair way to go yet, which is why I made it a public via Git; you don't have to wait for it, but you'll have to endure whatever hiccups arise along the way.
OK. I only wanted to help and tell what Ive found.
The text MUTED should be in the middle of the big grey square? Shouldnt it?
/Söder
I think it's a good thing, that you report the bugs you've found with Auriga.
Maybe djh missed some of them or maybe he can just add them to his to do list (and if he knows about them, he can simply ignore them).
Let's just say that while I can't complain when people report bugs, the problem with reporting bugs from a development branch is that you'll end up filling the forum with redundant posts. I might just put the bug report thread back in to keep things contained, though I worry it might send out the wrong message.
Let's just say that while I can't complain when people report bugs, the problem with reporting bugs from a development branch is that you'll end up filling the forum with redundant posts. I might just put the bug report thread back in to keep things contained, though I worry it might send out the wrong message.
Yeah and a list of known bugs should be on the first page and assigned a number so whenever somebody thinks they found something new they can check it against the database first. That way it won't get cluttered with the same repeating info.
On a side note, djh you are awesome :nod:
djh, not to sound pushy but did you see this?
Did you get around to uploading this yet?
I've added the season to the episode number in the Viewtype_List.xml by replacing all 3 occurrences of -
<label>$INFO[ListItem.Episode]</label>
with
<label>$INFO[ListItem.Season].$INFO[ListItem.Episode]</label>
Not sure if it can be made conditional on whether 'Flatten TV Shows' is always enabled though.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2421/screenshot001t.png
ccMatrix
2009-04-23, 16:19
Would it be possible to have both episode title and series name in the list when browsing through the recently added episodes?
Would it be possible to have both episode title and series name in the list when browsing through the recently added episodes?
I would love that to. A must I would say. =)
/Söder
Would it be possible to have both episode title and series name in the list when browsing through the recently added episodes?
It should be easy to add $INFO[ListItem.TVShowTitle] to the episode title when viewing 'Recently added'. I'll have a look.
In the TV shows section I have a few series that are empty with all episodes deleted. Would it be possible to have the poster for the empty series to have a lower opacity to signify the there are no episodes. Or something similar.
Its not really a important feature but would be a nice touch. Maybe something like this could be added much later on after the more primary matters seen to.
Not being funny but if there's nothing in them why keep them?
Not being funny but if there's nothing in them why keep them?
Because if I 'clean' the library, the poster and fanart also gets deleted and I need to re download them each time a new episode comes out. Would local fanart and folder pictures fix that ?.
Also if I delete the last episode of a series is there some way XBMC will also remove the series from the library. Using is 'clean library' ok but not very convenient.
These are just minor niggles, so if I can't do anything about them its no biggy :grin:
Because if I 'clean' the library, the poster and fanart also gets deleted and I need to re download them each time a new episode comes out. Would local fanart and folder pictures fix that ?.
Yes.
Also if I delete the last episode of a series is there some way XBMC will also remove the series from the library. Using is 'clean library' ok but not very convenient.
Just remove the series from the library instead of the last episode.
Nazgulled
2009-04-23, 18:15
I agree with what has been said a few posts above... Aeon has many fans and many of them are using the latest release from GIT (just like many people are using XBMC SVN's).
Aeon is so big at the moment that it would benefit from a "Trac" type thing, not exactly trac because that's too much for just a Skin, but something like that... The forums could than be used for discussion and everything development related could be focused on some place else allowing proper tracking of things.
Too many bug reports, feature requests and the like to use forums in my opinion... I just noticed that GIT also has a "issue" system, why not use that for bug reports and feature requests. It would also allow djh_ to track things easily... We only need some way to control the bugs/feature/suggestions that are posted on the forum... Maybe the Aeon project members could be turned into moderadores for this forum and contorl that a bit?
Or maybe not a very good idea overall?
Yes, I know you (djh_) are very used to use the forums to organize everything but since you started to use GIT, why not take full benefit of all it's features?
Yes.
Just remove the series from the library instead of the last episode.
lol, why didn't I think of that :eek:
Thanks dude, appreciated
p.s. One more thing, do they need to be named in a certain way ?.
folder.jpg
fanart.jpg
??
pletopia
2009-04-23, 19:09
so tv fanart and posters stored locally now works ?? last time i tried it it wasn't working (like 2 months ago maybe)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2421/screenshot001t.png
We really need both the name of the show and the number of the season clearly visible during browsing... at the top would be simple and clean. :rolleyes:
Shinigami
2009-04-23, 20:14
I do believe the skin will need to be changed to accommodate larger season number (i.e. Simpsons 20.17 will fall out of the light vertical bar)
tuckbodi
2009-04-23, 21:17
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2421/screenshot001t.png
We really need both the name of the show and the number of the season clearly visible during browsing... at the top would be simple and clean. :rolleyes:
+1
Hi.
I have an issue.
I just tried to install Auriga but there is no text showing in the menues...
I did an update of xbmc with the xbmc updater (windows XP 32) but still no progress, Aeon stark is working great but Auriga doesn´t (installed in C:/program files/xbmc/Skin/Auriga/720 etc.)
Do I need to put an Aeon stark in first and then overwrite it or do I do anything else wrong? (Using Swedish as main language).
Happy for all advice!
THX!
Sincerly
//Talle
theotocopulitos
2009-04-23, 21:51
You need to copy the Stark fonts directory to your new Auriga directory.
Thank you! I´ll try that!
Tried..
Still no luck... :(
Even tried to make a new copy of my Aeon stark an overwrited it with Auriga....
No luck.
Is it an issue that I don´t use the Application data etc. folder for my install?
Or do I need to install a new font on windows?
Sincerly
//Talle
I do believe the skin will need to be changed to accommodate larger season number (i.e. Simpsons 20.17 will fall out of the light vertical bar)
That's just a little mod I made to help me know what season I'm looking at because I flatten them - it's nothing official.
FernFerret
2009-04-23, 22:14
Talle:
It shouldn't matter where you put it, although I recommend that you use the Appdata, for me:
C:\Documents and Settings\fernferret\Application Data\XBMC\skin
This way you don't accidentally overwrite something critical, i know it's highly unlikely with a skin, but hey better safe than sorry.
Here is what i would do (and do):
Download Auriga to your skins folder:
skin/Aeon Auriga
Copy the fonts folder from Stark to your Aeon Auriga directory, so your structure should look like so:
skin
|-Aeon Auriga
|--fonts
|--720p
|--language
|--sounds
|--media
|--skin.xml
Let me know if that doesn't work (Hint: it should because it does for me :))
--FF
Well I have to admit that I´m starting to feel like an imbecill..
Still no text...
My structure is now:
-Aeon Auriga
--720p
--fonts (from aeon stark)
--language
--media
--sounds
--skin.xml
(I´ve deleated .gitignore, is that wrong?)
Is it that I have the wrong source to start with?
I´ve downloaded the one that was updated today as a zip but maybe I need someother to start with and then update with the new one? (might be stupid of me))
Sorry for any inconvinience!
Best regards!
//Talle
harryzimm
2009-04-23, 22:36
@Talle
re-download the fonts from here (http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/Aeon_Fonts.zip)
And put the folder in the auriga dir.
cheers
You have changed the skin in XBMC from Aeon Stark to Aeon Auriga haven't you?
You have changed the skin in XBMC from Aeon Stark to Aeon Auriga haven't you?
I made a new folder in skin-folder called Aeon Auriga so my skin folder contains the following:
-skin
--Serenity
--Project Mayhem III
--PM3.HD
--Aeon Stark (with some mods and home made shortcuts)
--Aeon Auriga
is this wrong? do I have to delete Aeon Stark?
(sorry for being such an arse!)
@Talle
re-download the fonts from here (http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/Aeon_Fonts.zip)
And put the folder in the auriga dir.
cheers
That did the trick!!!! :)
Thank you verry much!
Most greatful!
Sincerly
//Talle
Shinigami
2009-04-24, 01:10
That's just a little mod I made to help me know what season I'm looking at because I flatten them - it's nothing official.
Well, sometimes small details make lots of difference. Simple but great mod by the way
nemrod95
2009-04-24, 01:18
Is it possible to add something like this under the thumbnail ?
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3718/screenshot001tmodif.png
Because when you are in this screen, you have nowhere indicated the name of the tv show
ccMatrix
2009-04-24, 01:22
Is it possible to add something like this under the thumbnail ?
[...]
Because when you are in this screen, you have nowhere indicated the name of the tv show
I think that spot is already reserved for the media flags. Maybe in the top or as a "header row" for the list. I would prefer a header row for the list if it were added.
My guess is that since it uses fanart, there isn't any need for that text. The background would tell you which series you are in. But there are some series without any fanart where it would make sense.
nemrod95
2009-04-24, 01:37
Ok, something like this, just in case there is no fanart :
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3197/screenshot001tmodif2.png
ccMatrix
2009-04-24, 01:41
Ah, didn't think about the footer. Good idea. And if there will be a numbering like S.E instead of just E then there wouldn't even be a need for the "Season X" text in the bottom right.
This list view is just begging for a scrollbar.
:)
I'm actually doing the scrollbar now...
Excellent. Also, could it be possible to set the layout to full for albums and slim for artists? I like the full view for albums, but for artists it's a bit annoying to see the artist name in the details right underneath the same artist name for each entry.
Ok, something like this, just in case there is no fanart :
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3197/screenshot001tmodif2.png
This would also be nice because when I'm under "recent" for TV shows, I can't always tell what TV show episode I'm looking at.
This would also be nice because when I'm under "recent" for TV shows, I can't always tell what TV show episode I'm looking at.
Also, there was a fix recently by spiff which allows fanart to show for recently added episodes.
Here is the fix http://trac.xbmc.org/changeset/19302 and here is PM3 implementation http://trac.xbmc.org/changeset/19309
Any chance of adding it djh?
http://www.aeonproject.com/dropbin/aeon_newlist5.jpg
I GIT'd up to date on Auriga but my TV Shows do not show like this, I just get the episode thumb (poor quality and not widescreen ???) but not the poster image behind it.
What do I need to change to get this look please?
Thanks
V.
Hidd3nFury
2009-04-24, 14:20
I GIT'd up to date on Auriga but my TV Shows do not show like this, I just get the episode thumb (poor quality and not widescreen ???) but not the poster image behind it.
What do I need to change to get this look please?
Thanks
V.
I don't believe that option is available in the current version. The current release of the list view was mainly intended for movies and perhaps music. djh has stated that he will be working on the tv shows section as a seperate thing entirely.
And as for your thumbs, it is entirely reliant on what your scraper has downloaded and the quality of the thumbs available.
If you're a perfectionist like me then you can screenshot the tv shows with poor quality thumbs yourself.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong :)
OK.
Thanks for the reply.
Because if I 'clean' the library, the poster and fanart also gets deleted and I need to re download them each time a new episode comes out. Would local fanart and folder pictures fix that ?.
Also if I delete the last episode of a series is there some way XBMC will also remove the series from the library. Using is 'clean library' ok but not very convenient.
Yes.
Just remove the series from the library instead of the last episode.
Hi again
I just realized that even if I remove the series it'll just get added again next time I update the library. Is there anyway around this ?.