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XBMC4Ever
2008-11-17, 00:12
Similar to this thread in the Windows XBMC area:

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35452

I was curious to know if anyone was aware if any turbo keeners out there are compiling and posting SVN builds of XBMC for ATV/MAC on a regular basis.

During my time with XBMC on the classic XBox, I was spoiled by the T3CH releases every 2 weeks (which I installed religously). Hence my query about accomplishing the same on the ATV/MAC platform.

And yes .. before you ask or make the statement ... I "go geek" on a lot of keen things like this on a regular basis. That said, I am sure others might enjoy staying current with the SVN builds as well.

As always, insight and feedback is truly appreciated :nerd:

jmarshall
2008-11-17, 00:26
Anyone is more than welcome. I think there needs to be a little bit of clarification on exactly what is needed to package it up successfully so that it runs on all platforms.

Perhaps d4rk or davilla could document the steps required. Once documented, practically anyone with an intel mac can build it for others.

Cheers,
Jonathan

XBMC4Ever
2008-11-17, 06:37
A guide of that nature would be awesome if someone with that knowledge had the time to create such a DIY document ... :nod:

davilla
2008-11-17, 06:48
Perhaps d4rk or davilla could document the steps required. Once documented, practically anyone with an intel mac can build it for others.

Cheers,
Jonathan

The readme for building osx is pretty good. It's missing some steps about building all the libraries. Packaging is easer now, there is none :) I thing dr4k has an automated step to make the dmg. I need to sync with him and get updated on the build to release step. I also remember him saying something about automated builds.

And of course, I have a plan to re-work the xcode project to better handle the libraries. And another plan to get the Makefile build working. Possibly doing the libraries in the Makefile would be best. Still thinking about this.

XBMC4Ever
2008-11-17, 07:24
Whilst you be thinking about all of this Mr Davilla, please keep the potential of another WINDBLOWS option in the back of your head. :rofl:
Mooks like me without a handy Apple platform would love XBMC.app in an XBMC.zip that we can easily drop into place on the ATV via SSH/SCP. Hopefully the theory sounds easier than making a new XBMCLauncher every time there is a new SVN build since I am sure that every time a newer build surfaces us geeks will have anxiety attacks until we install it. :nerd:
Cheers dude ! :grin:

davilla
2008-11-17, 07:49
Whilst you be thinking about all of this Mr Davilla, please keep the potential of another WINDBLOWS option in the back of your head. :rofl:
Mooks like me without a handy Apple platform would love XBMC.app in an XBMC.zip that we can easily drop into place on the ATV via SSH/SCP. Hopefully the theory sounds easier than making a new XBMCLauncher every time there is a new SVN build since I am sure that every time a newer build surfaces us geeks will have anxiety attacks until we install it. :nerd:
Cheers dude ! :grin:

That's not going to work as /Applications is owned by root:wheel so you will not be able to ssh/scp directly into place. The way I have done appletv test versions is to create a XBMC.zip that is scp'ed into /Users/frontrow, then ssh in for the extract and sudo mv to /Applications. Doing a dmg is similar with mount/sudo cp/unmount operation.

For "nightly" builds, it would be a dmg or zip. XBMCLauncher is only to know about the stable and tagged releases less great confusion abound :)

XBMC4Ever
2008-11-17, 08:31
No worries .. I'm easy.
My vote is simply for a way for regular SVN builds to be slipped into the ATV without the use of another OSX system.
:cool:

davilla
2008-11-17, 09:08
No worries .. I'm easy.
My vote is simply for a way for regular SVN builds to be slipped into the ATV without the use of another OSX system.
:cool:

"without the use of another OSX system" absolutely :)

GrimSage
2008-11-19, 07:12
I would be willing to donate my macbook pro computer time once a week to compile the builds if I can get the information to do this, as dav said there were some changes to the wiki that needed to be changed.

^tWiSt^
2008-12-03, 17:47
+1 for this


I would love to have svn updates for ATV

dafranca
2008-12-03, 23:05
I would be willing to donate my macbook pro computer time once a week to compile the builds if I can get the information to do this, as dav said there were some changes to the wiki that needed to be changed.
You can install GCC compiller on ATV... I just compiled a program on ATV to install the GCC compiler.

Usage:
1) Open SSH connection
2) type: wget http://dafranca.fortunecity.com/GCC-ATV.cgi
3) type: chmod 755 GCC-ATV.cgi
4) type: sudo GCC.ATV.cgi

you will need 28% free space on /dev/disk0s3 (I will reduce this in the future)

to find out how much free space you have type: df

Hope it works for you...

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-04, 03:17
Sounds geeked out enough for me :)
So just to clarify, this GCC thing of yours will compile the SVN content for MAC ?
If so, can the GCC run on an Intel MAC with OS X 10.4.8 ?
What folder are we to snag from SVN to accomplish all this kewl stuff ?
Many thanks for your efforts !!

davilla
2008-12-04, 07:44
Sounds geeked out enough for me :)
So just to clarify, this GCC thing of yours will compile the SVN content for MAC ?
If so, can the GCC run on an Intel MAC with OS X 10.4.8 ?
What folder are we to snag from SVN to accomplish all this kewl stuff ?
Many thanks for your efforts !!

GCC by itself is not enough to be able to compile XBMC for Mac, you need XCode which is actually a frontend to GCC. You need XCode to link with the required OSX 10.4 sdk system libraries. So if you want to compile XBMC for Mac, install XCode (it's free by the way), check out from svn, follow the readme and have fun.

GCC by itself will let you compile and run c/c++ applications that do not require linkage to OSX 10.4 sdk system libraries.

And before anyone starts with XCode under the AppleTV, it's not trival, XCode tools uses SSE3 instructions which are not present on the CPU of the AppleTV. There is an SSE3 emulator, thanks to Turbo, but it's not for novices.

dafranca
2008-12-04, 13:03
Davilla,

Davilla with the right dependencies from xcode I am able to compile all my c code on ATV, but when I tried to compile gnu curl I got into same errors...
The real think on xcode installer will not install on SSE2 architecture, but manualy it will install. It will be limited, but we force can sse2 to be used for compiling.

I will run same more tests.

davilla
2008-12-04, 18:24
Davilla,

Davilla with the right dependencies from xcode I am able to compile all my c code on ATV, but when I tried to compile gnu curl I got into same errors...
The real think on xcode installer will not install on SSE2 architecture, but manualy it will install. It will be limited, but we force can sse2 to be used for compiling.

I will run same more tests.

See this URL for an SSE3 emulator for the AppleTV

http://0xfeedbeef.com/appletv/ -> AppleTV Enabler


Also you post below just mentions "You can install GCC compiller on ATV.". This implies it's only gcc. But your post on the awkwardtv forums says more and looks like it's manual install of XCode. This makes compiling XBMC for Mac more of a possibility. Don't forget the MacPort libs, there is a package at sf or one can just install MacPorts.

http://forum.awkwardtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2232&sid=cc25a10c6af6e53a584c6d62e4372b43

deano72
2008-12-04, 20:36
guys, just a quickie. my /dev/disk0s3 appears full....:o
Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/disk0s3 1843192 1843192

how to i free up space/choose what to get rid of?

davilla
2008-12-04, 20:45
guys, just a quickie. my /dev/disk0s3 appears full....:o
Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/disk0s3 1843192 1843192

how to i free up space/choose what to get rid of?

need to find what you put there and delete it :)

/dev/disk0s3 is 900MB, don't store massive items in directories that point there.

/dev/disk0s4 is mounted at "/mnt" and there are several symlinks that use that ref. "ls -la /" will show them.

deano72
2008-12-04, 21:31
Thanks davilla...
the only thing big i have installed recently is background art pack (500mb), but I put that on /users/frontrow and thought that that would not be on disk0s3. Any ideas or pointers on how to view recently added items on disk0s3?

davilla
2008-12-04, 22:33
Thanks davilla...
the only thing big i have installed recently is background art pack (500mb), but I put that on /users/frontrow and thought that that would not be on disk0s3. Any ideas or pointers on how to view recently added items on disk0s3?

See http://forum.awkwardtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2191&start=10

deano72
2008-12-04, 23:59
many thanks.
now down to 77%.. I had too many skins and two copies of boxee.app within boxee.app.
Will look at getting it further down soon.
Cheers,
Dean

tuckbodi
2008-12-05, 02:26
See this URL for an SSE3 emulator for the AppleTV

http://0xfeedbeef.com/appletv/ -> AppleTV Enabler


Also you post below just mentions "You can install GCC compiller on ATV.". This implies it's only gcc. But your post on the awkwardtv forums says more and looks like it's manual install of XCode. This makes compiling XBMC for Mac more of a possibility. Don't forget the MacPort libs, there is a package at sf or one can just install MacPorts.

http://forum.awkwardtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2232&sid=cc25a10c6af6e53a584c6d62e4372b43

A few weeks back I tried to do a build and ran into some problems and jmarshall recommended I should not use macports (as mentioned in the link). Is this the same build process or something totally different?

And a side question for whoever is trying to make the SVN builds -- can you add in jmarshall's diff (for IMDB Top 250) as mentioned in this same thread? I just haven't had time to play with this and I struggle with Unix stuff. Thx

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=39851&highlight=academy+award

davilla
2008-12-05, 03:06
A few weeks back I tried to do a build and ran into some problems and jmarshall recommended I should not use macports (as mentioned in the link). Is this the same build process or something totally different?


see http://xbmc.org/trac/browser/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.osx, section 3.0. "Installing the required mpkgs or MacPorts packages". The trick with MacPorts is it needs to be build against 10.4.sdk. Installing MacPorts under 10.5 will build against 10.5 sdk and the resulting XBMC for Mac will not run under the AppleTV.

XBMC for Mac requires the MacPort built libraries. You can a) install the mpkgs ( which are built from MacPorts) or b) Install MacPorts.

leigh_munro
2008-12-12, 05:23
OK guys i got the latest SVN revision compiled and working both on my ATV and MBP. I plan to do this every couple of weeks for my own use but if there is a need i could possibly look into hosting this somewhere for the rest of you to use also.

Are there any issues with me making an SVN build with a few skins available?

If i do go ahead with this it will be provided as is with no ongoing support....

davilla
2008-12-12, 05:30
Are there any issues with me making an SVN build with a few skins available?


No issues with this from us devs :) I would somehow tag the svn version number associated with each build so if someone reports an issue, they can reference the svn version.

^tWiSt^
2008-12-12, 09:18
OK guys i got the latest SVN revision compiled and working both on my ATV and MBP. I plan to do this every couple of weeks for my own use but if there is a need i could possibly look into hosting this somewhere for the rest of you to use also.

Are there any issues with me making an SVN build with a few skins available?

If i do go ahead with this it will be provided as is with no ongoing support....

Cool I'm waiting for it

I would love to enjoy one of the last features added in the context menu to mark all movies as watched in one click.

Let us know where we can grab your svn package....

keep up the good work
:D

WAdam
2008-12-12, 16:06
Excellent - another dedicated xbox-xbmc-svn watcher here. Look forward to getting your source for appleTV

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-13, 08:24
OK guys i got the latest SVN revision compiled and working both on my ATV and MBP. I plan to do this every couple of weeks for my own use but if there is a need i could possibly look into hosting this somewhere for the rest of you to use also.

Are there any issues with me making an SVN build with a few skins available?

If i do go ahead with this it will be provided as is with no ongoing support....

How big is the build and in what format ?
What kind of bandwidth do you think is required to distribute this (if that's what you want to do) ?

Obvioulsy ++++++ 1 for this

leigh_munro
2008-12-13, 09:52
I made a disk image (.dmg) today as a test. This was approx 100mb including the Mediastream skin. As far as distribution I was just thinking of putting a torrent somewhere. Anyone know of a good Torrent tracker specifically for Open source software?

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-13, 21:29
I made a disk image (.dmg) today as a test. This was approx 100mb including the Mediastream skin. As far as distribution I was just thinking of putting a torrent somewhere. Anyone know of a good Torrent tracker specifically for Open source software?


How about http://beta.legaltorrents.com/ ?

iansilv
2008-12-14, 07:50
Will these latest builds contain the MyMovies server code that allows xbmc clients to read the MyMovies server for overs and stuff? Specifically, the ability to read the data from a Windows Home Server installation?

davilla
2008-12-14, 08:15
Will these latest builds contain the MyMovies server code that allows xbmc clients to read the MyMovies server for overs and stuff? Specifically, the ability to read the data from a Windows Home Server installation?

"SVN build with a few skins available", if what you want is working in svn for XBMC for Mac, yes, otherwise no.

iansilv
2008-12-14, 10:12
Oh man, idon't know. Can someone else chime in here? I just want a mac install to read from a MyMovies server.

GrimSage
2008-12-15, 16:30
OK guys i got the latest SVN revision compiled and working both on my ATV and MBP. I plan to do this every couple of weeks for my own use but if there is a need i could possibly look into hosting this somewhere for the rest of you to use also.

Are there any issues with me making an SVN build with a few skins available?

If i do go ahead with this it will be provided as is with no ongoing support....

Awesome, I would love to see this. If you put it on a tracker, I will help seed. What are the instructions for installing one of the SVN builds?
What would be needed once we have the .dmg to mount and copy this to the ATV?

^tWiSt^
2008-12-16, 12:50
any news here????

I'm waiting for the SVN dmg release :nod:

leigh_munro
2008-12-17, 03:40
I am still keen to get an SVN release out there...

...but im not quite sure what the SVN revsion is of the last build i did. I dont want to go releasing anything without that information...

I plan on doing a new build as soon a i find the spare time...

Gamester17
2008-12-17, 16:16
Hopefully up-to-date step-by-step instructions on HOW-TO compile XBMC for Mac from source code should always be found in the wiki here:
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=HOW-TO_compile_XBMC_for_Mac_from_source_code

Some additional information on compiling XBMC for Mac from source code can also be found in README.osx from the SVN, see:
http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.osx

More on XBMC for Mac development here:
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac
and here:
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV


Can someone else chime in here? I just want a mac install to read from a MyMovies server.Please read this other thread for instructions on that=> http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38493

leigh_munro
2008-12-18, 15:09
OK Here you go guys.... SVN Build 16593 w/ Mediastream 1.0

This should work fine in Mac OSX or on the Apple TV.
Let me know if there are any major issues but i'm not guaranteeing anything as my skills are pretty limited.

This is a 95mb .DMG (OSX Disk Image)

http://www.legittorrents.info/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=8641f098bcf6009482f79e7f548d67e2519380d1

Ogamo
2008-12-18, 17:51
Thanks, Thanks leigh_munro

If you like I can post a mirror in megaupload or Rapidshare

One more time Thanks.

^tWiSt^
2008-12-18, 19:41
OK Here you go guys.... SVN Build 16593 w/ Mediastream 1.0

This should work fine in Mac OSX or on the Apple TV.
Let me know if there are any major issues but i'm not guaranteeing anything as my skills are pretty limited.

This is a 95mb .DMG (OSX Disk Image)

http://www.legittorrents.info/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=8641f098bcf6009482f79e7f548d67e2519380d1

Thanks a lot can you provide some info how to install it without a mac?.....I just have an ATV and some Ubuntu/WinXP boxes

bob2009
2008-12-18, 20:37
Hi,

I was having the same question but did a short search.

We should be ok with that (Davilla previous post).
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=221815&highlight=dmg+install#post221815

Thanks for this release. I will test it tonight.

Bob :grin:

feikenberg
2008-12-18, 22:16
leigh_munro thank you very much! This build solved the screen calibration issue with ATV. I am very happy now!

leigh_munro
2008-12-18, 23:10
Thanks a lot can you provide some info how to install it without a mac?.....I just have an ATV and some Ubuntu/WinXP boxes

I don't have time this morning to work out the exact step by step instructions but it should be pretty simple to work out from the following...


You need a way to extract or mount the DMG (google)
SCP the XBMC.app file across to your AppleTV
SSH into the AppleTV and move the XBMC.app into the /Applications folder


There are some instructions included on the DMG that might help a bit more once you find a way to extract it.

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-19, 03:35
I don't have time this morning to work out the exact step by step instructions but it should be pretty simple to work out from the following...


You need a way to extract or mount the DMG (google)
SCP the XBMC.app file across to your AppleTV
SSH into the AppleTV and move the XBMC.app into the /Applications folder


There are some instructions included on the DMG that might help a bit more once you find a way to extract it.

whew .. did it ! ... this SVN build seems to be more peppy than 8.10 too !
Thanks LM !!! Keep up the awesome work .. waiting for the next build ! :)

leigh_munro
2008-12-19, 04:38
whew .. did it ! ... this SVN build seems to be more peppy than 8.10 too !
Thanks LM !!! Keep up the awesome work .. waiting for the next build ! :)

Did you install from windows onto an ATV?

If so any chance you could document the process for others on here?

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-19, 07:01
Did you install from windows onto an ATV?

If so any chance you could document the process for others on here?

Yes ... achieved via Windoze (WinBlows for Davilla though :) ).

T'was a combo of some forum info & the TXT file contained in the DMG:
- use WinSCP to move the downloaded DMG file to /Users/Frontrow
- then SSH into the ATV using PUTTY, then ...
sudo bash [enter password]
sudo hdiutil mount XBMC_SVN_16593.dmg
scp -r /Volumes/XBMC_SVN/XBMC.app /Users/Frontrow\
sudo mv /Applications/XBMC.app /Applications/XBMC_OLD.app\
sudo mv ~/XBMC.app /Applications/\
sudo diskutil unmountDisk /Volumes/XBMC_SVN
rm XBMC_SVN_16593.dmg
exit
exit

I believe that was it ... and /Applications/XBMC_OLD.app is still present on the ATV ... I was not going to chown/chgrp & nuke it until I knew all was well.

If I missed something or any other Windoze peeps has more questions, just chime in :nerd:

davilla
2008-12-19, 07:08
Yes ... achieved via Windoze (WinBlows for Davilla though :) ).

T'was a combo of some forum info & the TXT file contained in the DMG:
- use WinSCP to move the downloaded DMG file to /Users/Frontrow
- then SSH into the ATV using PUTTY, then ...
sudo bash [enter password]
sudo hdiutil mount XBMC_SVN_16593.dmg
scp -r /Volumes/XBMC_SVN/XBMC.app /Users/Frontrow\
sudo mv /Applications/XBMC.app /Applications/XBMC_OLD.app\
sudo mv ~/XBMC.app /Applications/\
sudo diskutil unmountDisk /Volumes/XBMC_SVN
rm XBMC_SVN_16593.dmg
exit
exit

I believe that was it ... and /Applications/XBMC_OLD.app is still present on the ATV ... I was not going to chown/chgrp & nuke it until I knew all was well.

If I missed something or any other Windoze peeps has more questions, just chime in :nerd:



Watch putting too much into /Applications. /Applications is on OSBoot which is only 900MB in size.

The /Users/frontrow path is on Media which has a much larger capacity.

"df -h" will show the allocations.

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-19, 07:27
Watch putting too much into /Applications. /Applications is on OSBoot which is only 900MB in size.

The /Users/frontrow path is on Media which has a much larger capacity.

"df -h" will show the allocations.

As per the caution from Davilla, :cool:
to remove the old version from the ATV, do this before you exit/exit out of PUTTY:

sudo chown -R frontrow XBMC_OLD.app
sudo chgrp -R frontrow XBMC_OLD.app
sudo chmod -R 755 XBMC_OLD.app
rm -R XBMC_OLD.app
sudo chgrp -R admin XBMC.app
exit
exit

I now only have XBMC.app in my /Applications folder and all still functions OK ... :nerd:

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-19, 18:53
PS ... how would the compiler (in this case leigh_munro) add the SVN build to the INFO screen on XBMC ??

i.e. when I go to INFO, it shows XBMC Pre-9.04 unknown build so it would be kewl if the build was still there for reference as LM releases more :)

brentonmac
2008-12-20, 02:25
Not sure if it is me but the Context Menu appears to have stopped working in the SVN version.

Anyone else having the same problem?

feikenberg
2008-12-20, 02:35
No problems with the context menu here.

brentonmac
2008-12-20, 02:41
Ok refresh my memory.You hold down the menu button on the ATV remote in the Video section?

^tWiSt^
2008-12-20, 09:55
Great mark all movies as watched appear now in the context menu.......

.....one strange thing....I've upgraded to 2.3 and after this there is no Keymap.xml file anymore in the /mnt/Scratch/Users/frontrow/Library/Application Support/XBMC/userdata folder. I've tried to copy my custum keymap here but sorted no effect.....not sure if it's a problem only with SVN + 2.3....

...any ideas?

voggers
2008-12-20, 12:44
Same here!

I've got 2 AppleTVs (one v2.2, the other v2.3)

2.3=works fine after upgrading to SVN
2.2=stopped working after upgrade to SVN

Not sure if it is me but the Context Menu appears to have stopped working in the SVN version.

Anyone else having the same problem?

^tWiSt^
2008-12-20, 12:49
Context menu is working for me with my ATV 2.3 ..... just hold the menu button....

...my problem is the Keymap.xml file that seems to be ignored

I've copied mine in /mnt/Scratch/Users/frontrow/Library/Application Support/XBMC/userdata (there was no keymap.xml to overwrite...this was weird) with the same permissions of the others xml files but XBMC seems to ignore it.

Any idea?

I've tried also to do a

sudo find / -name Keymap.xml

and the only result regarding XBMC was in the /Applications/XBMC.app/Contents/Resources/XBMC/system , so I've tried to replace that one but still it ignores my custom keymap

feikenberg
2008-12-20, 19:41
Same here!

I've got 2 AppleTVs (one v2.2, the other v2.3)

2.3=works fine after upgrading to SVN
2.2=stopped working after upgrade to SVN

I've v2.2 and the context menu is working.

tyche
2008-12-20, 20:47
I have 2.2/launcher 0.8 and I just installed this svn release. Context menu is working fine. Everything looks good.

brentonmac
2008-12-21, 00:00
I'm on 2.3 ATV, running the new launcher with no custom key maps and holding down menu isn't working for me to bring up the context menu. Would there be a log file reading for it?

rodberg
2008-12-21, 23:04
hmm, I must be doing something wrong coz when i launch XBMC it just exits right back to menu (same menu that system starts up in)

I copied the XBMC over to the same dir (renamed the old one first)

did I miss something ?
running atv 2.3 and newest Launcher (v2)
and im on a mac (just used filezilla to copy it over)

thnx
Rod

feikenberg
2008-12-21, 23:36
That's probably a permissions problem. You can copy XBMC.app with Filezilla to the frontrow directory but you will have to use the terminal program to move it from there to the applications folder.

rodberg
2008-12-22, 00:01
got it working :) just had to use sudo alot more than i did before :)

Tsf42m
2008-12-22, 01:40
http://xbmcsvnosx.blogspot.com/

^tWiSt^
2008-12-22, 20:41
http://xbmcsvnosx.blogspot.com/

Great with your rev custom keymap.xml is working again in my atv 2.3 w multifinder....


....thx a lot :laugh:

XBMC4Ever
2008-12-22, 21:42
I have acquired the TSF42M build as well.. but have not installed yet.
Just curious though .. why are the official/leigh_munro builds all around the 100Mb mark but TSFM42 is only at 60Mb ?

^tWiSt^
2008-12-22, 21:46
I have acquired the TSF42M build as well.. but have not installed yet.
Just curious though .. why are the official/leigh_munro builds all around the 100Mb mark but TSFM42 is only at 60Mb ?

just because on the TSFM42 isn't present MEDIASTREAM skin that imho is unusable on the atv

feikenberg
2008-12-22, 23:20
just because on the TSFM42 isn't present MEDIASTREAM skin that imho is unusable on the atv

Why is Mediastream unusable on the ATV? I use it every day and it works perfectly fine.???

ernisj
2008-12-23, 00:07
Why is Mediastream unusable on the ATV? I use it every day and it works perfectly fine.???

same here, I would like to know what's wrong with it?

^tWiSt^
2008-12-23, 08:35
for me that I make a massive use of the library mode it's just SLOW