View Full Version : MediaStream, coming soon...
MikeBeecham
2008-07-08, 14:53
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/301/fluidpromojz7.jpg
MPauley73
2008-07-08, 14:59
Wow... looks great!
ewequeone
2008-07-08, 15:21
you tease :)
please reveal more ;)
can't wait!!!
Absolutely stunning! This looks amazing.
Nice.. I'm feeling butterflies in my tummy :p
So the skin is still going to be named Fluid :D
Can't wait!! LoL ;)
J_K_M_A_N
2008-07-08, 18:17
Can you change everything about it? JUST KIDDING!! Looks awesome.
J_K_M_A_N
flipped cracker
2008-07-08, 19:33
absolutely can't wait.
Can you change everything about it? JUST KIDDING!! Looks awesome.
J_K_M_A_N
Especially that ugly looking dude in the background :D
Thats awesome
Do you have high quality pics?
Aenima99x
2008-07-08, 21:40
You guys definitely won't be disappointed! It runs great under the Linux build. :grin:
*drool*
Absolutely can't wait. :D
Watch out Aeon, you've got competition.. Nice work team fluid.
QuietTime
2008-07-09, 00:45
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole reason your "team" kept this skin under wraps was to avoid premature hype? Posting half of a screenshot and advertising a month in advance seems to be a little hype builder to me. Just my two cents. Looking good though.
QT
Gifts all over the place.... Vision2 already released and Fluid on its way! Woot!
You guys definitely won't be disappointed! It runs great under the Linux build. :grin:
How about on the xbox?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole reason your "team" kept this skin under wraps was to avoid premature hype? Posting half of a screenshot and advertising a month in advance seems to be a little hype builder to me. Just my two cents. Looking good though.
Read the posts elsewhere. The reason they kept it under wraps was so they wouldn't get tons of feature requests and change recommendations until after it was pretty much set. I'm in awe that people complained so much when they didn't post any info and now someone is commenting when they do release it.
Can't we just have a love fest and all just be excited for the next month? :)
Aenima99x
2008-07-09, 05:25
How about on the xbox?
Works great on the XBox too. I tested it on my xbox for a couple weeks before I retired it and built a XBMC Linux HTPC.
I'm still using only the Xbox :)
Great work guys! keep up the good job... we are all waiting for you
ezechiel1917
2008-07-09, 17:47
very nice, looking forward to it .
Well in Mike!!!!
You know what they say about no news is good news... well thats rubbish!!! LOL! been waitin for a peep forever by the feel of it!! :)
Lookin forward to it!
Dunno, but unless the skin is spectacular I probably won't use it since it feels like I have been b**ch-slapped by the developers. If they wanted to keep it secret then they should never have told anyone anything about it until it was finished. Instead they are like someone teasing you with candy. OHH you think its pretty and tasty?? well to bad you can't have it. Nor can you know anything about it for months and months.
I have no problem with not releasing something till its done, but then don't be releaseing teaser screens either. And partial screens at that. Either be like aeon and give updates frequently so we can play with it and help find bugs and give suggestions, or don't tell us ANYTHING at all about it.. even that it exists until you are done with it. Not something in the middle that just causing fustration with the users.
Looking great guys, glad to see the hard work is paying off :)
As a sidenote, some people are really taking this WAY too serious. It's a freakin skin people, get over yourselves! I'm not saying this to devalue the hard work put into it at all, because it looks great, but after all it's a skin and not a matter of life and death.
All this whining about being teased and telling people what they should and should not publicize on THEIR skin before release is ridiculous. You didn't make it, they did. And you didn't pay them anything, nor did you make any contribution whatsoever. So they are free to do whatever the hell they want with it. Some of you act like you are entitled to something. You're not. To think that for some reason you can dictate what the creators can or can't do with their creation is foolish and arrogant. If you're getting frustated by teaser pics then I hope you never have to deal with real world issues.
That's the first and final thing I have to say about it.
MikeBeecham
2008-07-10, 19:15
you dont think a year in development under wraps is long enough? :D
oh and thanks for signing up and making that your first post...it gives everyone a REALLY great idea about who you are!!!
Chill, it's going to be released in a couple of weeks and you wont have to pay for it whatsoever!
My skin is better... it's kinda causasian... has a few age marks here and there... and it's desperately in need of a clean everyday at about 7 or so... hmmmmmmmmmm......
chill out some of u... it's only a skin... it's going to make ur xbox, pc, linux, apple look a lot better... so chill... take it teaser... go be normal and live life... it'll be with us shortly... then we can have a group hug in the shower... yeeeeaaahhhh!
Looking forward to it guys!!!!
Dunno, but unless the skin is spectacular I probably won't use it since it feels like I have been b**ch-slapped by the developers. If they wanted to keep it secret then they should never have told anyone anything about it until it was finished. Instead they are like someone teasing you with candy. OHH you think its pretty and tasty?? well to bad you can't have it. Nor can you know anything about it for months and months.
I have no problem with not releasing something till its done, but then don't be releaseing teaser screens either. And partial screens at that. Either be like aeon and give updates frequently so we can play with it and help find bugs and give suggestions, or don't tell us ANYTHING at all about it.. even that it exists until you are done with it. Not something in the middle that just causing fustration with the users.
Here's another b**ch slap from me :;):
There are plenty other skins to use so go spam their threads.
Cya
shanedoyle
2008-07-10, 21:37
Mike - looking good look forward to the years work!!! - congrats to you and the team lookin forward to seeing the final result
Here's another b**ch slap from me :;):
There are plenty other skins to use so go spam their threads.
Cya
Haha. Bravo. :)
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-11, 00:41
Well you can't please all of the people all of the time I guess! :laugh:
I am really excited about the release of the skin as it means there'll be more people out there getting to see the fruits of our labour (and in my opinion it should be worth the wait!)
Blackbolt
2008-07-11, 01:21
boodai sounds like such a pansy!
Dude, its not the developers fault that you can't control yourself, thats something for you to take care of... Its kinda sad admitting on a forum like this that you can't help but get swollowed up in 'hype'.
Hype is something that you control yourself, you're the one who's responsibility it is the way you act, not the people making the thing you're excited for.
I advise you stay off the sugar and stay away from bright colours until you can learn to stop over stimulating yourself.
Dunno, but unless the skin is spectacular I probably won't use it since it feels like I have been b**ch-slapped by the developers. If they wanted to keep it secret then they should never have told anyone anything about it until it was finished. Instead they are like someone teasing you with candy. OHH you think its pretty and tasty?? well to bad you can't have it. Nor can you know anything about it for months and months.
I have no problem with not releasing something till its done, but then don't be releaseing teaser screens either. And partial screens at that. Either be like aeon and give updates frequently so we can play with it and help find bugs and give suggestions, or don't tell us ANYTHING at all about it.. even that it exists until you are done with it. Not something in the middle that just causing fustration with the users.
Personally i love it when someone makes a post like this. It gives me a really good laugh and i get to laugh some more when others clown on him :laugh:
Screenshot looks great. Can't wait to try it out.
Please tell me 4:3 is supported :nod:
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-11, 08:21
Sorry, probably not in the initial release anyway
Sorry, probably not in the initial release anyway
damn this is the third good looking skin i cant use b/c of my tv
jmarshall
2008-07-11, 11:31
It will work fine on a 4x3 screen, it just may not look as pretty, as it'll be squished horizontally. Nothing stopping you using it, though.
boodai sounds like such a pansy!
Dude, its not the developers fault that you can't control yourself, thats something for you to take care of... Its kinda sad admitting on a forum like this that you can't help but get swollowed up in 'hype'.
Hype is something that you control yourself, you're the one who's responsibility it is the way you act, not the people making the thing you're excited for.
I advise you stay off the sugar and stay away from bright colours until you can learn to stop over stimulating yourself.
Apparently you have never seen the affects premature and unmanaged hype can have on products.
Giving people teasers early on in any product and then not following up with any information is bad because it generates alot of excitement, but then the excitement dies and when the product finally comes out no one is really excited about it anymore.
Giving teasers and information consistently since the first teaser lets the hype and user interest continue throughout the development of the product. It also managed expectattions so that users aren't expecting more than they are getting.
I have no problem with them keeping it all to themselves during the development. But after showing stuff.. then complaining and saying they weren't showing anything, and then showing something, and then once again giving almost no information all they are doing is generating negative hype which will only hurt the reception their skin gets.
I don't care what htey do really. I will end up using what ever works best for my needs anyhow, but figure it would be good for everyone to know they are doing some damage and even if I'm the only one that says anything about it I'm sure there are others that don't like what is going on.
But, to each their own. I probably won't use the skin for this reason. Unless is so amazing to overcome the negative feelings I already have about it. And if its that great, when then more power to them and congrats on making the skin. If it comes out and isn't that great... then I will be wondering why it was such a secret.....
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-11, 21:09
I have no problem with them keeping it all to themselves during the development. But after showing stuff.. then complaining and saying they weren't showing anything, and then showing something, and then once again giving almost no information all they are doing is generating negative hype which will only hurt the reception their skin gets.
As far as I remember the post at the top of this thread is the first image we have ever released of the skin so not sure what you mean about showing and complaining etc?
There are some images kicking about of fluid but that was Emilio's project that he started before we began work on the skin and the skin we will be releasing has very few (if any) of those elements in it.
It's been kept under wraps to prevent lots of people chiming in and saying how they would like to see it developed. I know that gives us fewer opinions to base our decisions on but it also means we have the chance to develop something consistent that works properly and follows the goals we set out for the project.
We're in the final tidy and polish stages of development and will hopefully be able to share some more details on the skin very shortly
MikeBeecham
2008-07-11, 21:21
Ohhhhh that made me laugh so much.
1) You must have me mistaken for someone else if you think I care whether you use it or not....the negative feelings are your own for you to play with. Do us a favour "Mr 2 posts" and keep your feelings inside your head!
2) As Skunk has mentioned mate...this is the only image we have posted for this project since it's creation and, therefore, your concern about constant "we posted this....oh no we didnt" is completely unjustified and negates any credible argument you have.
3) Teasers are a natural part of the marketing process. Let's follow your flawed logic through for a second. You rent out a movie for the night. On there it shows a trailer for a movie not hitting the screens for another 7 or 8 months. Are you telling me that you're not going to the cinema to watch that movie because of any negative feelings you might have after seeing the trailer and having to wait so long. "Oh my goodness...why show me that 8 months before release...I have SO many bad feelings, I'm not going to watch that movie now...stuff 'em"
4) You want information? Good...you're not getting any. We're going to tell everyone but leave you out.
5) Stop Crying
6) We dont care...you're not paying for it, contributed nothing to it, so stop yer babbling and take off your flowery shirt!
7) We dont care AND stop crying AND take off that shirt...it's too girly for you!
Bye then!
I still can't believe boodai posted JUST to whine in this thread. As the skin developers said, they don't care if you use the skin or not. Why would you waste your time posting in a thread about something that you'll never use anyway? It'd be like me going on the Media Portal forums and throwing a fit because they're doing something I don't like, even though I have no need for their product.
Get over yourself and stop thinking that anyone cares about your whine other than you.
Can we get back to the love-fest over Fluid now? :)
MikeBeecham
2008-07-11, 21:39
bring on the love
Mental Block
2008-07-11, 23:56
Skin is looking good Team Fluid and looking forward to trying it out :)
This thread has made me smile with the comedy posting hope the skin does the same :D
Last week I had a weird rash on my leg that no creams from the drug store would cure. I got my hands on a copy of Fluid, applied to my leg, and it cured me 100%.
True story.
Skin teaser looks great and I love Doctor Who, to bad last episode of this season was last week.
No matter what everyone says about the 'hype', it's not like your buying yourself a new car or a cinema ticket, it's free for own usage, open source, if you don't like it, there plenty of other skins that will satisfy your hunger, but sounds like Fluid (if that's still is going to be the name) is made for the community, by the community, to advance the skin experience.
So I'm really looking forward to the result of this skin.
chrislee149
2008-07-15, 07:42
O_O This is great!
I was worried that since The Devil's concepts were not being followed, the skin would not come out well, but clearly the Project Fluid team really "gets it" when it comes to design. In my opinion, this is the only skin that can compete with Aeon. I can't wait to see some more screenshots.
Too bad about no 4:3 in the initial release, but I guess you can't have everything. :P
O_O This is great!
I was worried that since The Devil's concepts were not being followed, the skin would not come out well, but clearly the Project Fluid team really "gets it" when it comes to design. In my opinion, this is the only skin that can compete with Aeon. I can't wait to see some more screenshots.
Too bad about no 4:3 in the initial release, but I guess you can't have everything. :P
Quite a few skins competing for top spot right now and in the immediate future... so we'll see who comes out Top!!!
Competes2win
2008-07-15, 17:14
O_O This is great!
I was worried that since The Devil's concepts were not being followed, the skin would not come out well, but clearly the Project Fluid team really "gets it" when it comes to design. In my opinion, this is the only skin that can compete with Aeon. I can't wait to see some more screenshots.
Too bad about no 4:3 in the initial release, but I guess you can't have everything. :P
Only skin that can compete with Aeon? lol how do you know? so far I've seen one half of one screenshot.
Only skin that can compete with Aeon? lol how do you know? so far I've seen one half of one screenshot.
Two reasons:
1. The screenshot looks pretty damn impressive and shows attention to detail.
2. The skin has very talented people working on it.
No need to get snarky anyway. Skin preference, like many other things, is subject to a person's opinion. If he feels it can compete with Aeon, that's his opinion. If your opinion is different, that's fine too.
I've yet to see a skin that can match the user experience I get with Basics-101 to be honest, that skin is just very cool. Works great with mouse or a remote (try Aeon with a mouse), has a nice contrast so you can read everything on almost any screen regardless of real resolution and just works. Irrelevant in this thread here of course, just wanted to chime in that looks aren't anything and I really am looking forward to the usability aspect of this skin here.
MikeBeecham
2008-07-15, 20:48
can I just chip in here and mention a couple of things
1) Design
We're releasing this skin, knowing full well that not everyone is going to like this skin...and thats ok. We're not vying to get prizes for most intuitive design, most amazing-looking skin, or even the most desired skin on the XBMC platform. It's a skin that has a design which the team feel is true to what we wanted to get out of the project when it was started.
2) Competitiveness
Can I just stop ANY flaming or comments right now about trying to compete for top spot. We're not! period! This is a skin designed by the community for the community. Again, it's a skin that some people will like...others wont. We're not trying to poach users from others skins. To try anything similar to this would just be plain dumb. If you like Aeon, then carry on using Aeon, if you like Basics (and let's face it...who doesn't!) then carry on using Basics. If you try this skin and like it, then great...we achieved something...if not, then we created a skin for the xbmc project that no-one uses...it's an achievement in itself and we're happy!
3) Functionality
We like it! Plain and simple! We like the functionality that this skin has, and have tried to make it as functional as we can. If you dont like it cause it's not like Aeon or Basics...then kinda, well, tough. Use what is comfortable for you.
4) End result
If you like the skin when you see it...then great, we'll be pleased that you did. If you like using it and you're dropping other skins to use it whilst the novelty factor is still there, then we'll lift up a beer in your name and maybe do a small dance in your honour. if you dont like it, then hey....now you'll have something to blog about and complain how the world is not right for some reason.
In essence, I guess I'm saying that we made the skin for YOU! if you like it then great, if you dont like it then dont go flaming about how this dont work like Aeon or that dont work like Basics
it's all good!
What he said.
The skinning engine covers more than enough ground for every skin to have its own turf, so where's the competition? I'm willing to bet the XBMC userbase is pretty evenly split between the major players, so distinct are the plusses and minuses of each one. The scene's all the better for it, too.
I've yet to see a skin that can match the user experience I get with Basics-101 to be honest, that skin is just very cool. Works great with mouse or a remote (try Aeon with a mouse), has a nice contrast so you can read everything on almost any screen regardless of real resolution and just works. Irrelevant in this thread here of course, just wanted to chime in that looks aren't anything and I really am looking forward to the usability aspect of this skin here.
Yes this is how I feel also. There are all these flashy skins which looks so good but when I use it for awhile I always find something wrong with them from a usuability stand point. Thats why I always end up back with Basics-101. It doesn't look great graphically but its so streamlined for my needs. If Fluid can strike a balance between looks an usability without it being too complex it has a good chance of being my default skin.
No pocky pocky MikeBeecham... that post was so so needed... that's what grabs me about this the prospect of this release... user input was cut to a minimum, so you guys could concentrate on making the skin exactly the way it should be... it's not always nice having people telling you this and that, almost forcing you to constantly change you base idea about what you wanted from the skin... as for the top spot on my list... it's always got to be windows vista (coz i have to use it everyday at work, LOL!)...
nyways... coming soon will soon be arrived... so we're preparing for ur project...
chrislee149
2008-07-15, 21:35
Clarification:
In the context of my previous post, "compete with" meant "equal in quality". >_>
zeuss-axis
2008-07-15, 22:00
...I love Doctor Who, to bad last episode of this season was last week.
Not to threadjack, but does Doctor Who get a bit more watchable in later seasons? I started watching Season 1 to see what all the hub-bub is about, and it's SO low budget that its hard to get into...
...Simon Pegg as the Editor was good though!
NickyZero
2008-07-15, 22:13
Wow, havent been online for a while, and what do I see?
"Coming soon" - Mikebeecham
"Hmm, this should be interesting" I ponder to myself...
Not only do I get a 'sneaky peaky' at the latest creation, but I get a laugh too! Im so bummed I missed it all...
Seriously though guys, this looks fantastic, consider me an unofficial XBox 4:3 tester!
cant wait, havent seen anything really "pow" I can use properly since Containment
can we get one or two more screenies building up to the release? pweeeeas? :laugh:
august isn't far away :nod: can't wait to see this in action..!
Not to threadjack, but does Doctor Who get a bit more watchable in later seasons? I started watching Season 1 to see what all the hub-bub is about, and it's SO low budget that its hard to get into...
...Simon Pegg as the Editor was good though!
It's one for the kids, I think. Beyond Mssrs Tennant and Ecclestone, the whole thing feels like a vacuum of charisma to me. Much like anything hi-concept us Brits try to do.
Yep, Big Brother for instance!
zeuss-axis
2008-07-25, 16:02
It's one for the kids, I think. Beyond Mssrs Tennant and Ecclestone, the whole thing feels like a vacuum of charisma to me. Much like anything hi-concept us Brits try to do.
Good assessment! I've made it to mid-second season, and it's a bit better, but at this point I put it on when I won't really want to pay attention to the TV :-)
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-25, 21:00
can we get one or two more screenies building up to the release? pweeeeas? :laugh:
august isn't far away :nod: can't wait to see this in action..!
Not too long to go now, just doing last minute testing, sorting out any issues we find and getting the website ready. There should (hopefully) be an announcement in the next few days :grin:
How's the issue with bug testing?
You guys done a thoroughly bugtesting yourselves during this development, or is it meant to be mostly bug tested by the public to get it released as soon as possible?
Of course there's always gonna be some bugs here and there, just wondering if we can expect an version to perhaps try to directly replace your standard skin.
Or if it's just more of an novelty item until the most major bugs are found and fixed, like skins tend to be for the first period after their birth.
jmarshall
2008-07-26, 02:54
I don't wish to overstep my bounds but yes, it should be reasonably usable on first release. I don't believe there'll be anything missing, but one can never tell until it's tested very widely.
And ofcourse there'll be bugs on release, and things that aren't 100% polished, but the team have been working hard at getting it as ready as possible for release.
Cheers,
Jonathan
can't wait... buggy or squeaky clean... its gonna be great...
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-26, 13:17
I don't wish to overstep my bounds but yes, it should be reasonably usable on first release. I don't believe there'll be anything missing, but one can never tell until it's tested very widely.
And ofcourse there'll be bugs on release, and things that aren't 100% polished, but the team have been working hard at getting it as ready as possible for release.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Yep, pretty much what he says
Is this skin going to replace the PM3 skin as the default, or is it just going to be an additional one?
MikeBeecham
2008-07-27, 11:32
just be an additional one....there was never any intention in creating a default replacement
joncgde2
2008-07-27, 11:52
The sneak peak looks like this skin is going to be impressive, can't wait to try it out :D
I must say it's nice to get some top quality skins coming out that seem a bit more 'mature'... DJH started it off with Aeon, and now this skin looks like it will be another to add to XBMC's 'second coming'.
I think the gradual increase of a 2nd (?) generation of skins will help to bring XBMC to the attention of more people than ever before, so kudos to you guys for helping in bringing that about :)
'Media Stream. Your Media... Your Way.'
Looks like some horrible, tacky corporate branding-cum-advertisement.
If it really is my media, my way, then hopefully that aspect can be disabled/removed.
If it really is my media, my way, then hopefully that aspect can be disabled/removed.Seconded, I'd love to be able to change it, so I can set reminders, I think that's be a cool addition to XBMC.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2uppi8l.jpg
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-07-27, 22:59
More screens please? August is soon.
Then you probably can wait that short period.
Needless to say, keep the thread clean from the usual "more! more! more!"-stuff.
We'll get more when we get it. Spamming threads with cries about it is just going to annoy people.
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-07-28, 00:34
I'm not spamming shit honestly. I am asking a simple request as I would like to see more of what I might be using before it comes out. It really isn't too much to ask.
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 00:58
ok, I guess thats fair enough....youve all waited long enough, so here's a screenie for you guys to whet your appetite with:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6131/screeniepz7.png
Now, to be fair we did have to learn how to use MS Paint in conjunction with an xml coder. We've spent a LONG time working on the above for you, and overall we're really pleased with it...I think it represents the year-long effort by many people quite well.
In terms of user interactivity, you can easily change that shade of purple to any of the basic 16 colours that are available to you free of charge....we're givers..we like to do these things for you...you can thank us later!
Also you'll notice the clock in the corner....that actually comes in both digital and analogue formats, because we already know what you want before you demand it like it's a right of yours to have something for free. Again, just because we like to give!
Also, you'll notice a subtle use of highlight lines in the actual screenshot. These are actually guides that position a very high-tech focus bar for you to use, so that you can access your media, your way, your coffee in your style, etc, etc...you get the drift.
Finally, we also included an interactive ordering slip as part of the settings screen. This is essentially another high-tech not-yet-seen bit of techno wizardry. In essence (I dont want to bore you with low level techie details), it is a simple interactive form that allows you, the user, to be able to let us (the team) know what other elements you demand for free. You see, as a team we understand how uncompromising you are. We understand that despite constant reminders that it's for free, blah blah, you'll still make demands of "i want this", "i want that" like you're ordering dinner from your moms, expecting clean laundry in your drawers upon demand etc...so we thought we would make it easy...
So, in essence, instead of spending your obviously-important useful time spamming threads with "I want this", "I want that"...you can download the skin for free upon release (at no cost to you, I might add!), play with it, test it, then let us know what is missing or how we can help improve it.
Again....it's all because we love you and we're givers. It's just how we roll!
Will we be able to change that blue part to other colors though? I'd like to keep the purple. I like purple. And I like blue too. But I like dark blue better.
So if you could go ahead and make that blue a darker color blue...that would be great.
The "season 1" text needs to move one pixel to the right.
wow - no straight lines... now that's what i call fluid :oo:
sickboy719
2008-07-28, 02:14
ok, I guess thats fair enough....youve all waited long enough, so here's a screenie for you guys to whet your appetite with:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6131/screeniepz7.png
That's lame.
The "Season 1" font should match the clock.
Ack! Sorry Mike, didn't mean to evoke the beast. Just brainstorming out loud, but I'll keep 'em to myself (for now XD ).
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-07-28, 04:57
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6131/screeniepz7.png
Extremely mature ...
Can we get a mspaint mock of the home screen too? :nod:
ChoccyHobNob
2008-07-28, 10:14
The "season 1" text needs to move one pixel to the right.
I like it where it is. Can we get an option to move it one pixel in the settings so the user can choose?
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 10:57
Extremely mature ...
You dont like it? You wanted screenies...it was 'only fair' that we provide them...so there you go. You are now 100% at the same experiential level of every other member of the community.
Congrats...here's a cookie!
ok, I guess thats fair enough....youve all waited long enough, so here's a screenie for you guys to whet your appetite with:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6131/screeniepz7.png
Now, to be fair we did have to learn how to use MS Paint in conjunction with an xml coder. We've spent a LONG time working on the above for you, and overall we're really pleased with it...I think it represents the year-long effort by many people quite well.
In terms of user interactivity, you can easily change that shade of purple to any of the basic 16 colours that are available to you free of charge....we're givers..we like to do these things for you...you can thank us later!
Also you'll notice the clock in the corner....that actually comes in both digital and analogue formats, because we already know what you want before you demand it like it's a right of yours to have something for free. Again, just because we like to give!
Also, you'll notice a subtle use of highlight lines in the actual screenshot. These are actually guides that position a very high-tech focus bar for you to use, so that you can access your media, your way, your coffee in your style, etc, etc...you get the drift.
Finally, we also included an interactive ordering slip as part of the settings screen. This is essentially another high-tech not-yet-seen bit of techno wizardry. In essence (I dont want to bore you with low level techie details), it is a simple interactive form that allows you, the user, to be able to let us (the team) know what other elements you demand for free. You see, as a team we understand how uncompromising you are. We understand that despite constant reminders that it's for free, blah blah, you'll still make demands of "i want this", "i want that" like you're ordering dinner from your moms, expecting clean laundry in your drawers upon demand etc...so we thought we would make it easy...
So, in essence, instead of spending your obviously-important useful time spamming threads with "I want this", "I want that"...you can download the skin for free upon release (at no cost to you, I might add!), play with it, test it, then let us know what is missing or how we can help improve it.
Again....it's all because we love you and we're givers. It's just how we roll!
I remember watching with interest your email some months ago as you posted a very inspiring "lets all pull together to create something amazing for the community" message. Whats happened since then?
I don't see how it can be shear weight of demands placed on you - you have largely stuck to yourselves, only surfacing every now and again to drop a tidbit of info and then following up very quickly with a scathing putdown whenever people start to get excited.
I don't know if you speak for the whole team, but a real worry when you let the pressure get to you this early in the piece! :rolleyes:
You dont like it? You wanted screenies...it was 'only fair' that we provide them...so there you go. You are now 100% at the same experiential level of every other member of the community.
Congrats...here's a cookie!
The forum content police have spoken. Please make sure your posts are suitably PC and contain a high level of platitudes and meekness in future when you make a simple request!
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-07-28, 11:24
You dont like it? You wanted screenies...it was 'only fair' that we provide them...so there you go. You are now 100% at the same experiential level of every other member of the community.
Congrats...here's a cookie!
Wow seriously? I mean come on. Is it really that much to ask for a little more info? In the case of skins it's usually pictures ... I am SO sorry to have pushed you to such a childish level. Maybe just my opinion, but I'm not going to waste any more time bantering back and forth over a skin I really have no information about, nor it's creators.
Thank you for the eye opening experience.
I don't see what the problem is.
On a generic level you can develop something in two ways:
1. Incremental development. The team make one little piece, shows it to users, users have their say, team goes back to finish the piece.
2. Don't release anything until you feel it is finished according to your goals.
There is no right or wrong method. The first one is excellent if you have a general design, but you might not be sure of certain features etc. The second one on the other hand is perfectly fine if you believe you have a clear goal and design and you are of strong belief to release a first version according to your design.
Method 2 was clearly advertised here no?
1. Having people continuously asking for progress is like having a bunch of kids in the back seat yelling "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?". Beyond comprehensive annoyment.
2. The team has a strong belief that their design is the way to go. If they would release bits and pieces all the time there would be an endless amount of thread with suggestions and whines about things. But suggestions are good? Yes, but they want to release something according to THEIR belief and design FIRST. THEN you can clearly have how many opinions you want.
On a closing note. Begin able to use sarcasm properly is actually mature. Not understanding it when it gets thrown at you when deserved is not however.
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-07-28, 11:40
If the sarcasm remark is directed towards me you need to know I am fully aware of his intentions, my statements after the fact are simply my way of ignoring stupidity. There really isn't a call for such behavior when in most cases EVERY skin has people asking for more information.
Again, most other skins have started like "Hey, here is a concept, what do you think?" and then gradually evolved into a skin, with the author(s) posting stuff as development progresses and incorporating suggestions etc.
What is so hard to understand with the fact that someone might want to do something their own way first and then release it? If that path has been choosen, posting progress reports with examples etc as you go along would only help to derail you from the original plan.
There would be whines in any case.
Current situation: No progress reports or teasers are released -> Whines.
Developers do their thing, but still release progress reports/treasers: People post their suggestions and/or flames. Suggestions/flames are ignored -> Whines.
Either way the developers get crap. Let them do it the way they want. End of story.
Also, sarcasm doesn't seem so stupid when you're in the driver's seat, trust me. Sarcasm is usually the least you want to inflict on back seat drivers.
Isn't this going to be released at the start of August? I don't see what the problem is to release information at so late in the game when most content is set in stone. Isn't this how most products are released build excitement and get ppl's attention just before a release. I can understand if the theme was going to be released like 1 year from now and content is subject to change and you want to focus strictly on development. Unless your motive is to surprise people or lower their expectations but I don't see how releasing some info early is going to dampen it if anything it will make ppl more excited.
Anyway don't take it the wrong way I'm sure I'll take a look at it when it gets released.
What needs remembering here is that the people asking for screens and getting frustrated by the lack of them, no matter how stubborn or disrespectful that might seem, are your friends, not your enemies. The mere fact that they're posting in this thread means they're excited by what you're doing, which is ultimately the most you could hope for. Their assistance, furthermore, as a focus group and as bug-testers, has proven increasingly invaluable to me, though I can't speak for others. I do know that software companies spend millions gathering the same kind of feedback.
Hesitant as I am about wading in with my two cents, some of the recent posts here made me wince a little. This looks like a solid, popular skin, and of course it's the author's prerogative to show as much or as little as they like. That said, a few of the shots fired here seem aimed squarely at the foot. It seems a shame to let hostility creep in so close to its release.
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 14:59
You're all 100% correct, and DJH you already know that I respect your honesty and two-cents...constructive criticism is always appreciated in my house mate...you know that.
With regards to the sarcasm, etc you have to understand a couple of things, which I would like to share.
So often I see threads started with "What about this concept" and "would this make a good skin", etc. These are great because it shows that the community is really wanting to make a difference to the platform that all we know and love. I think it's excellent to see people taking thier own time to create something that others might like to use.
Also, I see quite a negative flip-view (singling NO-ONE out) where they sit around waiting for something new to arrive, for them to use free of charge. This is also fine because this is what the community is set up for...we all pull together, etc etc.
What gets me riled, however, is when numerous posts are made before something even gets out the front door. I have seen too many times when screenies are made, when those that contribute nothing to the process are quick with their criticism or comment...we would like to see this, we want that, etc. Very rarely does anyone take into consideration the sheer amount of personal time and effort that is poured into something that will undoubtedly be hacked up for mods the moment it's released...this is the reason why we never released screens or gave too much information...we didnt want the forums spammed with "I wants".
My post last night, albeit sarcastic in nature, was meant to show my frustration at those kind of people.
This will probably be my final point on the matter...I'm sorry that you think you have rights to more information, or that it's the done thing to give you more information, but it's just not..okay? You dont get a right to more information because you never contributed anything to the process. I have a shed load more people who have svn access than are in the team, because they all contributed to the project in some way or another.
If all you're doing is checking forums threads for freebies and more information on any upcoming project, then NO...you dont get more info or screenies just because you want them. You get to sit and wait for it to be released...then you get to use it or not use it, depending on your fancy.
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, and I'm sorry if it cuts down the userbase of the skin when it's released. Personally? I dont give an arse if you use it or not. We started out making a skin for the community. It's taken nearly a year of our time up...EVERY DAY, and we'll be using it. If you want to use it then great...if you have improvements...even better (we love them!!), but if you dont use it I'm not going to cry myself to sleep.
My team have worked bloody hard to produce something for you for free...at our expense and at no cost to you. We're damn proud of this skin, whether you want to use it or not...Is a little patience too much to ask?
No, I didnt think so!
smcnally75
2008-07-28, 15:14
Mike, with all do respect, you are egging on the problems. If you don't want people to ask for more screen shots then just simply don't mention it until it is ready. You guys mentioned from the beginning that you wanted to build this your way from the ground up and I respect that. But you have to expect people to ask for more when you give them a small taste. It's a lot like some babe flashing a boob from a distance and then telling you you have to wait to see more. :oo:
It's a lot like some babe flashing a boob from a distance and then telling you you have to wait to see more. :oo:
Happens to me every day.
ads_german
2008-07-28, 16:21
I am part of what I hope and suspect is the silent majority of xbmc users who are quietly waiting to give this new skin a run when it's released.
Chances are that for every person who has felt the need to have any sort of whinge, that there are 10, 20 or maybe 100 of us patiently sitting by, appreciating the fact that another skin for a great piece of software that also happens to be free will be upon us soon...
ewequeone
2008-07-28, 16:39
hear hear! I concur!
I am part of what I hope and suspect is the silent majority of xbmc users who are quietly waiting to give this new skin a run when it's released.
Chances are that for every person who has felt the need to have any sort of whinge, that there are 10, 20 or maybe 100 of us patiently sitting by, appreciating the fact that another skin for a great piece of software that also happens to be free will be upon us soon...
I personally found the MSPaint screenshot hilarious. Some of you are taking an XBMC skin WAY too seriously. Sit back, relax, and be happy when it comes out. Until then is it really necessary to flame each other?
Additionally, Mike (and others, I assume?) are making this in their free time and charging you exactly 0 (insert your currency of choice here) for it. If you don't like the responses he's given to this point, then go make your own skin or simply don't read this thread. No need to get your undies in a bunch over it. :)
I've been quiet through all of this until now but I've got to throw my 2 cents in....
Mike, most of the problems in this thread are a from you guys offering up some little tidbit and then expecting people to not want more. If you didn't want to be bothered then you should never have posted anything at all. Once the post was up, you honestly expected people to not read it and want more info? That's being rather naive don't you think?
I am sure this skin is going to be a beautiful thing with as much hard work and time invested that you guys have put forth. But honestly, you need to get a grip. There will be people who want something for nothing, there will be people who think you should listen to their wants and put it in your skin. It's a fact of life, deal with it gracefully, not childishly. Don't open a door then expect people to not walk in while you're busy cleaning house.
I for one am willing to wait till release to see this, mainly so I can make my decision to use or not use based on the finished design. But don't get mad because others want to know more now. That's simply how society these days works. People want it NOW, not later. And if you can't deal with that then you guys should never have started any discussion of this in a public forum. You hand the monkeys a banana and then don't expect them to eat it and want more???? :D
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-28, 19:25
I personally found the MSPaint screenshot hilarious. Some of you are taking an XBMC skin WAY too seriously. Sit back, relax, and be happy when it comes out. Until then is it really necessary to flame each other?
Hehe, my thoughts exactly.
The beast is almost upon us and I'm sure Mike will be releasing some more screenshots very soon so there'll be something else to focus on - the home screen might not be quite up to the standard of the MSPaint screenie as that was more like a preview of where we'd like to get to when the technology catches up with our imaginations :grin:
LOL... that Mspaint screenie can't go... it's the future man... don't think anyone is gonna be impressed if the main page doesn't look as good as that...
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 22:02
ok guys...amidst all the back and forth of the last few weeks we're finally ready to show off the project. We are very aware that you guys have been waiting and you've been impecabbly patient...we will be releasing in August (this is a guarantee), and hope that you like what you see....
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8949/promoscreen1ip2.jpg
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 22:03
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5521/promoscreen2as1.jpg
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 22:03
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8837/promoscreen3yy3.jpg
nice preview, can't wait to test it.
Very nice looking. I especially like the blade/sub-blade system on the main menu. I think that might make the WAF quite high, since it looks nice and seems to simplify things a bit. :D I'm not 100% sold on some of the views, but that's personal preference instead of an overall design flaw... they look very nice. I'm also guessing you guys put together a handful of different view options, so I'm sure I'll find one that works perfectly for me. :D
That Home page is lush - definitely the highlight from this first batch of screens. Reminds me quite a bit of Vision, which isn't a skin I'd use personally - but really damn slick overall. Not a fan of the movie views, though. Be interesting to see how the dark transparencies hold up against black backgrounds, but I'm sure you've tested it to buggery. Looking forward to giving it a whirl!
Again, that Home page is *sweet*.
But... ahem... new on-the-fly extras?
Also, I take it you're joining me in the murky world of we're-getting-sued commercial fonts. Otherwise, they're a fantastic find.
MikeBeecham
2008-07-28, 22:27
yup :D not all are shown on the screenies mate!!!
WOWser... the screenies are well worth the wait... aren't u guys getting too cool for us fans... I'm gonna have download some skin designing skills somewhere so I can be cool like u guys!!! any website suggestions... www.youguysare2cool.com
Competes2win
2008-07-28, 23:28
Looking good. I personally like both the homescreen and the movies view that shows the info on it.. I like the scrolling icons on the bottom with the large dvd cover on top. Nice. And I really enjoy the big lettered font. And I agree that it has a very, very Vision(2) esque feel to it.
Funny how all the skins just kind of evolved together... Poor old blackbolt and his Ellipsis project... seems as if that skin will be a bit behind the times whenever it comes out... perhaps he can hail it as 'retro' and bring back the 'good ol times' of xbmc before all of this media centric glitz and glamor...
I'm being a bit impatient myself here by asking questions the skin itself will answer. But is there also a horizontal menu option, or some way of configuring it so custom backdrops to be used? I'm thinking that vertical strip down the centre is going to render most artwork unusable...
Competes2win
2008-07-29, 01:31
I'm being a bit impatient myself here by asking questions the skin itself will answer. But is there also a horizontal menu option, or some way of configuring it so custom backdrops to be used? I'm thinking that vertical strip down the centre is going to render most artwork unusable...
I was definitely thinking that the AEON backdrops wouldn't work... I'm not sure about the horizontal layout but judging by the design, i bet the skin by default uses backdrops similiar to the red theatre seat backdrop and art similiar to that music panel you see... more along the lines of pm3 I suppose. All of which I think would look stellar.
The movies page font looks awful small to be readable across the living room, I take it you have tested this though? Perhaps its just the screenshot making it look small...
Nice touches though, looks like its been worth the wait. Congrats.
jmarshall
2008-07-29, 01:59
There's two font sizes available. The larger one works OK on a PAL 4x3 29" telly in 16x9 mode, but yes, the skin is ofcourse optimized for higher resolution screens.
Reggienz
2008-07-29, 02:10
I've been reading this forum for a long time and finally registered. I've have tried most skins currently available and settled on Vision 2 for the moment. (Bit easier for my wife to navigate) That being said, I have been watching this thread for a while and I must admit that I am really looking forward to testing this out. Very professional look and kudos to those involved in the project. I'm sure I speak for the masses when I say there is a huge appreciation for what you guys do. Looks like a lot of hours have gone into this. Again, can't wait for the release. Cheers!
I'm being a bit impatient myself here by asking questions the skin itself will answer. But is there also a horizontal menu option, or some way of configuring it so custom backdrops to be used? I'm thinking that vertical strip down the centre is going to render most artwork unusable...
This skin wasn't designed around using custom backgrounds. People should be able to find plenty of images that work well with the skin.
speechless... mike, fluid guys - thanks for your hard work and for the teaser screenies :grin: have any of you guys tested on the os x build? bring on august!!!
Whatever opinion one might have about the skin, I think all can appreciate and respect the team for the tremendous work effort that seems to have gone into it.
Cheers guys. The open source community wouldn't be anything without people like you.
o/
Thanks for the peek...it's looking GREAT! Patiently waiting for the release guys, kudos on what looks to be a killer skin!
... looks like this may displace AEON as my default skin if the navigation matches the look!
Whatever opinion one might have about the skin, I think all can appreciate and respect the team for the tremendous work effort that seems to have gone into it.
Cheers guys. The open source community wouldn't be anything without people like you.
o/
hear hear to that!!
Iv been checking xbmc on and off for the past year to see some progress on this skin...and finally some screenshots...and they looks absolutly gourgous!!!!!. I didnt really like the horizontal menu selection (aeon and the likes) and am soooo glad this uses a slick vertical navigation. just hope this would look great on a SD tv as well!!!...man i just cant wait for this to be released and good on ya team fluid for the hard work youv put in!!!
MikeBeecham
2008-07-29, 15:54
Lost1, just to let you know that it does work well on SD 16x9, as I dont own a HD television...so I'm stuck with a 28" SD Widescreen TV. We have created two font sets...default and 'bigger', so those with SD TV's should benefit ok. I've tried it on mine and it's ok actually.
Those with 4x3 may have to wait for a while...it's more intricate than just resizing fonts, due to the nature of the images..but it is on our 'to-do' list, so dont worry!
sweeeeeeet....so 1st August the release date?
joncgde2
2008-07-29, 16:42
This skin looks really special, well done guys, really :)
Like many others, I'm also looking forward to testing it out and seeing it on my plasma... can't wait :D
Those with 4x3 may have to wait for a while...it's more intricate than just resizing fonts, due to the nature of the images..but it is on our 'to-do' list, so dont worry!
I'll be tweaking it for 4x3 as soon as it's out :nod:
MikeBeecham
2008-07-29, 17:29
sweeeeeeet....so 1st August the release date?
Does it say 1st August....or just August?
Does it say 1st August....or just August?
It doesn't say August 08 either. :eek:
Does it say 1st August....or just August?
Must you have a permanent chip on your shoulder every time you reply?
willers.nail
2008-07-29, 19:32
Ah now what a skin. This really is making me think back to the first mention of creating a new skin that was better then any skin currently available at the time. I cant believe its a year already when I first saw those concept images of underworld I think it was? Seriously well done to everyone invloved Im very excited about showing this to my girlfriend trust me she's a hard woman to impress. Good Job :nod:
MikeBeecham
2008-07-29, 19:48
Must you have a permanent chip on your shoulder every time you reply?
yes!...normally with ketchup.
onesojourner
2008-07-29, 20:54
Must you have a permanent chip on your shoulder every time you reply?
:no:
isn't amazing how djh and this guy can be so different. djh come across as one of the nicest guys you could meet and then this guys has a smart ass remark for every question/remark. I am starting to wonder if he started this thread just to turn people off of the skin.
click (http://www.google.com/search?q=improve+your+social+skills&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
What the hell is wrong with you people? People ask stupid questions and he responds with something that most of us wouldn't find offensive at all. It's like you're all looking for something to attack him over. I deal with end-users myself and it gets seriously frustrating. Yes, some comments come across as harsh, but this is the Internet: if you can't handle them go to the Nickelodeon site or something. How do you people manage to read spiff's responses when you can't even handle Mike's?
Here's a tip before anyone else posts stupid questions in a thread:
READ THE THREAD.
More importantly, look to see if the specific question has been answered already. If it has, don't ask. If it hasn't, then ask yourself if it's something that REALLY needs asking.
Now, can we stop the petty flamewar? No need to freak out every time someone posts.
It's hard not to come with smartass remarks with so many stupid posts everywhere in different threads.
Stupid questions should expect stupid answers.
http://abovegod.net/argue.jpg
Competes2win
2008-07-29, 23:35
What the hell is wrong with you people? People ask stupid questions and he responds with something that most of us wouldn't find offensive at all. It's like you're all looking for something to attack him over. I deal with end-users myself and it gets seriously frustrating. Yes, some comments come across as harsh, but this is the Internet: if you can't handle them go to the Nickelodeon site or something. How do you people manage to read spiff's responses when you can't even handle Mike's?
Here's a tip before anyone else posts stupid questions in a thread:
READ THE THREAD.
More importantly, look to see if the specific question has been answered already. If it has, don't ask. If it hasn't, then ask yourself if it's something that REALLY needs asking.
Now, can we stop the petty flamewar? No need to freak out every time someone posts.
lol, spiff is a bad ass.
c'mon people... every time a stupid question gets asked, a faery dies... and every time a stupid question gets answered, well... a faery is reincarnated as a dumbass! ;)
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-29, 23:59
Hehe, this is why I love forums and online communities - theres no shortage of village idiots to keep the rest of us entertained. :laugh:
As far as our team having a 'nasty attitude' - that's just our spiky exterior (Mike), don't worry we also have a soft and cuddly underbelly (well JustMeD's belly anyway) and a flighty air of confusion (my contribution).
It's understandable that people have frustrations and attitudes when taking part in a discussion on something that no-one can actually get their hands on yet and I wouldn't have expected anything different. Things will hopefully be more interesting when the skin is actually released as their will be something tangible to actually talk/moan/whinge/laugh about and that's what I'm really looking forward to.
The skin won't be to everyone's liking and there will be things that people want added and other stuff that they would like changed and the skin will evolve based on that feedback but I'm pretty sure that the initial release should please some people and that's why we've put the effort in :grin:
MikeBeecham
2008-07-30, 00:13
Ok, look...it was not my intention to do anything other than bat back at the people that start with either unnecessary comments, or rude comments.
Let's draw a line under this as I AM actually a nice person...ask my wife and kids...they will tell you.
So...everything from this point on is in the past, let's focus on the community and the skin, which is why we started all this in the first place and get to loving each other again. No flaming, no smart-ass comments from either party. You're either going to love the skin or hate it..and thats cool.
On release, we would appreciate feedback as we've never done this before (I know I havn't), as well as recommendations or improvements.
That's all from me for now!!
Chars!
Wow! You absolutely floored me with those shots! Great job Team Fluid! Also I'm SO exited to hear about SD support, I LOVE Aeon but on my lower res displays I have to switch back to PMIII. So in conclusion: YAY!
WOOOW!!! The screenies look very promising... I'm waiting to enjoy it in my living room!!
Thanks to all the team.
Keep up the good job
I was very proud to win that race! :nerd:
http://abovegod.net/argue.jpg
Wow! You absolutely floored me with those shots! Great job Team Fluid! Also I'm SO exited to hear about SD support, I LOVE Aeon but on my lower res displays I have to switch back to PMIII. So in conclusion: YAY!
People still have non-HD sets? :eek:
With the price of HD sets being so low I'm a bit surprised. My Dad has an old SD RPTV but he's nearly blind anyway.
platanito21
2008-07-30, 05:07
People still have non-HD sets? :eek:
With the price of HD sets being so low I'm a bit surprised. My Dad has an old SD RPTV but he's nearly blind anyway.
You shouldn't be surprised. Some people just can't afford to dish out hundreds (or thousands) of dollars to upgrade to an HDTV set. Not me of course, I have a 46 inch Samsung :laugh:
You shouldn't be surprised. Some people just can't afford to dish out hundreds (or thousands) of dollars to upgrade to an HDTV set. Not me of course, I have a 46 inch Samsung :laugh:
And not everyone has a TV - projectors are good :nod:
On release, we would appreciate feedback as we've never done this before (I know I havn't), as well as recommendations or improvements.
I don't think anyone is really expecting it to be released on August 1st, based on comments that have been made from the team to date. My take (my hope?) is that it will be released sooner in August rather than later, once you are happy that it is ready for public consumption.
I would respectfully suggest that the earlier the team can set a public launch date the better, rather than waking up one morning and there it is.
I don't think I could bare the suspension :laugh:
god...I didn't mean to ask such a 'stupid question'....I just wanted some kind of response hinting at whereabouts in August it will be released(I had a feeling it wouldn't the 1st). Maybe i should start using emoticons*looks for some kind of happy smilie in quick reply*...anyways cant wait for this thing to be released :) . And just for the record i think the fact that this skin has been in hiding for a whole year only hyped it up even more...or maybe thats just me
...still hoping it'll be released on the 1st ;)
discussion and arguing like this is why they choose to hide the skin for a year.
I don't think anyone is really expecting it to be released on August 1st, based on comments that have been made from the team to date. My take (my hope?) is that it will be released sooner in August rather than later, once you are happy that it is ready for public consumption.
I would respectfully suggest that the earlier the team can set a public launch date the better, rather than waking up one morning and there it is.
I don't think I could bare the suspension :laugh:
Whoops... my bad. I misread Mike's post as "we would like feedback on release date", rather than "once its released we would like feedback".
Just ignore my post :blush:
08.08.08 would be a awsome date for a awsome skin :)
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-30, 13:35
08.08.08 would be a awsome date for a awsome skin :)
It sure would :;):
manturafs
2008-07-30, 16:51
now when will t3ch have an august release....
now when will t3ch have an august release....
On the 11th and 25th.
08.08.08 would be a awsome date for a awsome skin :)
http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/bollogo.gif
the dark lord -1 is apon us... eeck!
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-31, 10:11
-2?
Team Razorfish?
Would Razorfish be the new name for Project Fluid??
OMG, August, is it ready yet!! :P
Hmm. Did the UK leap forward one day when I wasn't looking? :)
Hmm. Did the UK leap forward one day when I wasn't looking? :)
lol, i've haven't been to bed yet, I was thinking I've got a meeting this morning, so ill stay awake and go bed this afternoon, and now I've just realized it's not until tomorrow neither, so I've stayed up for nothing...
Ahh well
Seriously looking forward to this skin, a lot of skins have come a long way recently, but unfortunately the main skin I love ( AEON ) don't sit well in the WAF, so always eager to try newer skins that could make life more simpler :)
...unfortunately the main skin I love ( AEON ) don't sit well in the WAF
I'd just find a new wife, much simplier than finding something better than Aeon :oo:
skunkm0nkee
2008-07-31, 15:55
Team Razorfish?
Would Razorfish be the new name for Project Fluid??
Team Razorfish are the people who created the skin and MediaStream is the new name for the skin that was originally known as Fluid
joebrady
2008-07-31, 17:36
Seriously looking forward to this skin, a lot of skins have come a long way recently, but unfortunately the main skin I love ( AEON ) don't sit well in the WAF, so always eager to try newer skins that could make life more simpler :)
I've got the same problem evertime I try a new skin. I hear "ah, honey, why can't we just go back to that one thingy that I know how to use already?" (PMIII)
BLAH:sniffle:
Why dont you just create 2 profiles:
One for yourself and one for the wife, being exactly the same (sources, etc.) just diferent skins :O
Last resort:
Buy an extra xbox for the wife and custumize it to meet the WAF!
PS: If none of the above solutions work drop the wife ;)
I'm having the same problem, but i thinks it's more related to all the hot chicks backdrops^^
hahaha NOOK...
anyways... mike... it's my birthday tomorrow, so I ecpect an MediaStream (Birthday Edition) in my inbox in the morning thank u very much... hmmmm...
excited guys... good luck adding the final touched into it... and thanks for all the effort over the age it's been in production...
UNLEASH THE BEAST!
MikeBeecham
2008-08-01, 16:49
I think you are spamming forums, Mr 2 Posts and not correct grammar...are you not?
Well you got me. I logged on and saw a new reply from Mike today August 1st. Talk about excited...
Oh well still anxiously awaiting what looks like a bitchin skin!
MikeBeecham
2008-08-01, 20:31
Ahhh it wont be today I'm afraid. What I CAN tell you is that we're aiming to have something for release on the 8th August 2008, so keep an eye out for that. If I'm being honest, what we're trying to do is get a whole raft of different things sorted right now...such as a releasable skin, website and decent hosting sorted out.
The skin is 98% there I would say, with tweaks and refinements taking place before release. It WILL still have a few bugs and it WILL have some areas for improvement, but overall I think it's in a state that can be given over to you guys.
Peace.
MikeBeecham
2008-08-02, 01:00
and 8 seconds!!!
UND3R ACHI3V3R
2008-08-02, 02:23
lol! Cant wait for this bute to be available. only about 7 more days to go on my count.
flipped cracker
2008-08-02, 02:25
i'm so excited... and i just can't hide it...
RockDawg
2008-08-02, 03:21
i'm so excited... and i just can't hide it...
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
Ahhh it wont be today I'm afraid. What I CAN tell you is that we're aiming to have something for release on the 8th August 2008, so keep an eye out for that. If I'm being honest, what we're trying to do is get a whole raft of different things sorted right now...such as a releasable skin, website and decent hosting sorted out.
The skin is 98% there I would say, with tweaks and refinements taking place before release. It WILL still have a few bugs and it WILL have some areas for improvement, but overall I think it's in a state that can be given over to you guys.
Peace.
for hosting i would recommend nearlyfreespeech.net or maybe a vps at linode.com :nod:
Soooo...
Can Team Razorfish confirm that this will be out 08/08/08 - 08:08:08?
Or 20:08:08? When some people say 8 they mean 20.
chrisdaniels
2008-08-02, 22:19
Who cares what time its out ffs..!
What you going to do? set your alarm clock or something??
Or are you going to ask your mom if you can stay up late to download it??
Just be patient.
Like Mike has said, its not 100% complete anyway, so there will be minor bugs and so updates in the days/weeks after its out anyway.
Some people on here are just mental
Actually I dont care that much. I dont think that im going to refresh my browser every 0.091346 sec. for this skin, but im just curious.
If it still hasent got any release date and is being released when they want to then say so.
Chill..
chrisdaniels
2008-08-02, 22:42
Talk about backtracking... Read Mikes post again
You're telling ME to chill? lol
Pot meet Kettle
Yeah eeh... whatever.
me make this short.
080808 release
or
coincidal funny mention-worthy date
me eat icecream now
chrisdaniels
2008-08-02, 22:58
(http://www.whofriggincares.com)
What a f%#¤ng stupid discussion.
If you think my post/question was stupid and dont want to answer it then ignore it and i wont post again as long as no one answers me.
chrisdaniels
2008-08-02, 23:10
hahahaha
Opening up this thread for reading is like stepping into a text version hen house.
MikeBeecham
2008-08-03, 00:49
guys...lets all chill out now please. Chris, I understand where you're coming from and I know that you're backing up the team an all, but your response was inappropriate and started a whole lot of flame.
Can we now just forget what has been said and drop the rest of it please.
please guys, chill down or I will lock the thread, keep it to topic an no bad language or assaults on people.
chrisdaniels
2008-08-03, 06:08
Sorry guys, but the repeat and inane questions get on my nerves.. couldnt help it.. sorry
my bad.
On with the thread and with the new skin!
People still have non-HD sets? :eek:
With the price of HD sets being so low I'm a bit surprised. My Dad has an old SD RPTV but he's nearly blind anyway.
HDTV is just getting around to taking off here in Australia, and most people don't have HD sets yet... also i'm a poor student who can't afford shiny new TVs. :(
Exactly the same here (Germany).
36 % of all TVs in North America are at least HD-ready (720p)
20 % of those in Western Europe
In 2012, 45% of all TVs worldwide will be HD-ready (9% in 2007).
So, it's still a long way to go ...
source: Goldmedia Research
and how is the percentage on 4:3 and 16:9 tv's? I mean I think most of us have a 16:9 in our homes right?
ultrabrutal
2008-08-03, 17:44
Support 4:3? Why not support black'n'white tv's too? ;)
Support 4:3? Why not support black'n'white tv's too? ;)
Mobile Phone support! There are more mobile phones then 4:3 TVs... :rofl:
Doesn't XBMC autoscale so 16x9 screens work on 4:3 TVs... it may look a bit different but it should work. Just as when PM3 was 4:3 only and worked fine on 16:9 screens.
jeepcook
2008-08-03, 20:08
I'm not OK with you .. in France we have just a little quantity of HD channels .. so to receive them we must pay a lot of money ..
So just few peoples receive hd channels ......
And a lot of people have 4:3 TV .... just look around you and you will see that ..
I'm not OK with you .. in France we have just a little quantity of HD channels .. so to receive them we must pay a lot of money ..
So just few peoples receive hd channels ......
And a lot of people have 4:3 TV .... just look around you and you will see that ..
Same over here, HD is really in it's infancy her too content-wise. Just recently a fair amount of channels finally switched to 16:9 broadcasting :shocked: After, what, 20 years since widescreen was introduced? :laugh:
The european football championship was broadcasted in HD though, resulting in a lot of HD screens being bought. I just recently got myself an HD screen, which I would have done much sooner if more content was available in HD. The people are waiting for more HD content, the networks are waiting for more people getting HD screens first :rolleyes::rofl:
With which I btw don't want to imply skins should be restricted by SD compatibility.
It's completely unrealistic and regressive to expect a modern UI to shackle itself to backwards compatibility. I don't expect Blu-ray discs to run on my Dreamcast, just as I don't expect Crysis to run to my calculator. XBMC is not Xbox Media Center anymore, nor are SD or 4:3 considered current-generation tech. Anyone unfortunate enough to be lumped with those should be grateful for every ounce of support they receive from XBMC and its artists, but expect nothing. Furthermore, I pity any skin that mistakedly tries to satisfy both crowds, however noble that might be.
ultrabrutal
2008-08-03, 20:42
So the target for XBMC now is mobile phones? Ok just use PM3 in 4:3 or have some black borders. ;)
When I think of all the people I know. I can actually only find my own folks as the only ones with a 4:3 TV. My guess would be that it's less than 5% who still have 4:3 TV's when not regarding the older generation (who will never use XBMC anyways) - but even my grandmother and my wife's have 16:9 TV. Ofcourse this differs from country to country.
Oh yes, and what djh said ;)
MikeBeecham
2008-08-03, 20:47
Duncan, whilst I understand your sentiments I also have to disagree with you in some respects. Obviously, I cant argue with you about Aeon, but for MediaStream it's about trying to encompass and provide for as much of the community as we can. I dont want to exclude a portion of the community, just because they cannot afford a certain peice of hardware.
Just because they have less money than other people, does that mean that they should not expect to use something that they COULD use if people provided support for them? No, I dont think so. I think your argument about blu-ray is flawed, only because it's a different animal completely. Blue-ray was NEVER designed for the dreamcast, whereas XBMC WAS designed for 4x3. To not consider it's foundational roots is to deny the very platform that it originated from in my opinion. In using your argument, should we say that because there are now more widescreen televisions that square ones, TV Companies should never broadcast content in 4x3? No, not at all.
It that warrants someone's pity for wanting to serve the wider audience, then so be it. However, Razorfish set out to provide for the community, not a single part of it.
I'm not denying the origins of XBMC or your right to cater to the bottom end of its technical hierarchy. I'm disputing the assumption that artists on the forefront of UI development should cater for that entire spectrum simply because it exists.
I'll admit, though, that my rant was somewhat out of context. It was my assumption that someone had kicked off about SD support when, in fact, they were just happy about it. More the fool me.
It's completely unrealistic and regressive to expect a modern UI to shackle itself to backwards compatibility. I don't expect Blu-ray discs to run on my Dreamcast, just as I don't expect Crysis to run to my calculator. XBMC is not Xbox Media Center anymore, nor are SD or 4:3 considered current-generation tech. Anyone unfortunate enough to be lumped with those should be grateful for every ounce of support they receive from XBMC and its artists, but expect nothing. Furthermore, I pity any skin that mistakedly tries to satisfy both crowds, however noble that might be.
I don't think anyone expected this to be 4:3 or SD ... my reply to this for example was purely some statistical information as a reply to the question if anyone still uses non-HD sets.
Now, please excuse the offtopic.
MikeBeecham
2008-08-04, 00:13
Nook...4x3 IS on the list of things to do. Obviously you will appreciate that there is only so much we can do at one time, so the intention is to release for 720 and 16x9 SD. Once released and we get general feedback, then we are going to attempt to get this rocking in 4x3 also.
Once released and we get general feedback, then we are going to attempt to get this rocking in 4x3 also.
im glad to hear that
Doesn't XBMC autoscale so 16x9 screens work on 4:3 TVs... it may look a bit different but it should work. Just as when PM3 was 4:3 only and worked fine on 16:9 screens.
I'm going to quote myself since no one mentioned this.
YES or NO?
jmarshall
2008-08-04, 01:57
Nothing to do with this skin, but the answer is ofcourse yes. Mediastream works out of the box on 4:3 screenmodes, just as every other skin does.
It may simply not look as pretty.
Nothing to do with this skin, but the answer is ofcourse yes. Mediastream works out of the box on 4:3 screenmodes, just as every other skin does.
It may simply not look as pretty.
Thank you. That is my point, may are complaining about a skin that A) is not released B) can be used on 4x3 since XBMC supports auto-scaling
Why not let the team release the skin before you start asking for adds/changes?
not long to go! gonna have to organise time off work just to get set up with this skin :grin:
marlboroman1
2008-08-05, 12:23
not long to go! gonna have to organise time off work just to get set up with this skin :grin:
I think if the skin requires time off work to set up the I would be very disappointed :laugh:
MikeBeecham
2008-08-05, 14:56
Gosh...I really hope that people are not disappointed with the end result. There are a lot of "I hope this" and "cant wait for that". I would hate for you guys to get it and go "Is this IT?...is this what we've waited for...it's CRAP"
:(
ewequeone
2008-08-05, 15:12
Mike, I'm looking forward to seeing the results from the amount of time / work you guys have spent on this. If it suits my needs, I'll use it, if not, I won't.
At the end of the day, no matter what anyone says, you guys should be proud of what you have achieved as a team.
Jason.
MikeBeecham
2008-08-05, 15:22
Cheers Jason...we are immenseley proud of it. But any set of proud parents, when sending thier kids to school hopes that they'll make friends and are liked by the others!!
I guess it's a "suck it and see" thing!
Yes, as I said before as well; No matter what certain opinions might be, you have done a great job and the open source community would be nothing without commited people like you.
I think if the skin requires time off work to set up the I would be very disappointed :laugh:
haha, well depends how nice it handles squished to 4:3 (initially) - i won't be able to help myself but tweak it. this skin pretty much the decider between plex/boxee for me and quite a few others atm - been drooling over it since the initial fluid screenshots.
plus a nice skin is a good excuse to reorganise the library and track down some nice coverart too, and it's motivated me to finally finish my new mediadb :nod:
Looking forward to it Mike and I'm sure it will be fine!
I'm just hoping the humble Xbox can run it smoothly! ;)
MikeBeecham
2008-08-05, 21:19
It should be able to Geeba...I have a version 1.0 box and it's pretty much as smooth as you want it to be on there.
Mike rough idea on how much memory was left while your running it?
MikeBeecham
2008-08-06, 12:21
Geeba,
I dont have that information to hand, I'm afraid.
skunkm0nkee
2008-08-06, 12:43
Geeba, it all depends on what screen you are looking at or what media you are playing. We've done a lot of memory testing and I'm pretty confident that we've ironed out all the memory problems we had initially as I haven't had any memory related issues in the last few months using it on the xbox.
Thanks fellas! really glad your testing on the Xbox and not just the "lob in some more Horse Power to cover it" platforms.
MikeBeecham
2008-08-06, 15:49
What you will have to accept and appreciate thought Geeba, is that the xbox as a media center is on it's way out...most development now is for Linux, Mac and (to a lesser degree) windows. This is the future.
the Xbox will probably never have enough power to compete, going forward because it cannot handle High Def capably enough. You only have to see the latest implementation of fanart, etc to see that the xbox struggles.
That said, and with the best will in the world, Razorfish (certainly for the foreseeable future) will attempt to create skins that cater for both...EVERYTHING we do has to be for the community, and in a manner that the entire community can use. As long as I have breath in my body, I will not exclude a portion of the community that makes xbox what it is, simply because they do not have, or cannot afford a certain piece of hardware.
Does that mean, however, that we will ALWAYS have the xbox as a media center? No! I can easily see a time when the xbox is defunct, especially in line with the speed technology is moving. However, until that time comes we're going to cater for the community in whatever way is both feasible and practical!
Here endeth the lesson!
Fully understand where your coming from Mike.... the Xbox is 8 years old now and had go inings... things change thats life but I'd bet my bottom dollar 50% or more users still use the Xbox to run XBMC.... personally I have 1 FULL HD movie in my 400+ collection and I'm still not sure how to use fanart!! LOL!! so Xbox still is a main player in my home (thanks to team XBMC of course!)
Just a shame the two main ports are on my least favorite OS's! LOL! Keep up the good work WiSo!!! my media life is in your hands! :)
MikeBeecham
2008-08-06, 16:52
heh...I wouldn't worry Geeba...to be honest, there are many of us (me included) that do not own High Def equipment. Therefore, you will have a close allie in SD for a while to come yet. I got my xbox off ebay and did the work on it myself. I can build PCs (linux and Windows) so this would always be a possibility, but there's just something about the xbox that continues to appeal to me...come in, turn on, sit down and fetch media...
Job done!
Geeba, you're still lucky then... For me, it took like one or two screenings of a high quality 1080p movie and within a week my appartment was filled with boxes containing a 56" HDTV, 5.1 speaker set, new reciever and a HTPC...
...and my wallet empty :p
Fully understand where your coming from Mike.... the Xbox is 8 years old now and had go inings... things change thats life but I'd bet my bottom dollar 50% or more users still use the Xbox to run XBMC.... personally I have 1 FULL HD movie in my 400+ collection and I'm still not sure how to use fanart!! LOL!! so Xbox still is a main player in my home (thanks to team XBMC of course!)
Just a shame the two main ports are on my least favorite OS's! LOL! Keep up the good work WiSo!!! my media life is in your hands! :)
Same here. I've still got my v1.0 xbox and it's going strong. Did a mod to change out the noisy gpu fan for a heatsink and it's a super quiet media center. I plan on using the xbox as my media center till it dies, then i'll think about building a htpc.
Can't wait to try out mediatream on the xbox!!
MikeBeecham
2008-08-07, 00:51
Wowser...same thing I did! I ripped out the heatsink and GPU fan, then replaced with a Zalman passive heatsink...did the job just nicely. Also ripped out the case fan and replaced it with a nice 19dB fan instead. As silent as you can get it now.
Like you, will probably run the box till it dies, although at the expense of probably a lot of niceties currently working through the skinning engine at the moment.
one more day give or take! although i guess with timezones it'll be a bit longer... exciting times! :grin:
yes..just one more day...finally...*goes back into hiding till tomorrow
Yup I usually look forward to Friday for the PUB!!! LOL!! but this is on my mind more so today! :)
MikeBeecham
2008-08-07, 11:09
go to the pub instead....it's only a User Interface!!!
go to the pub instead....it's only a User Interface!!!
Yeah!!! what was I thinking!!! LOL! Beeeeeeer...:laugh:
Its quiet at work today....:sad:
ewequeone
2008-08-07, 12:45
I *was* going to the pub to enjoy my Friday afternoon, but now with an ear and throat infection, I'll happily stay snug and warm inside waiting for the release :)
pub first... then skin... it'll look thrice as good ;)
Well it's the 8/8/08 here in NZ now - so can I get a preview of the skin - or do I have to wait until the rest of the world catches up :D
Ducks and runs for the door...
hasn't been 08/08/08 in nz for several hours?
western-europe has joined the 8/8/8 crew... ;)
Is this skin available yet?
and now we play the waiting game :)
<---------- Is currently drumming the table! LOL!!!
"Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?"
Cheezus. Calm down folks. Take a deep breath and relax.
It'll appear when it appears. Even if it doesn't appear today.