View Full Version : Can we end-user please have the 'Edit' (button) function back here in the forums?
Oh great and all powerful forum moderators, may we please have the 'Edit' post feature back ...
... we promise to use it wisely.
:;):
KZ
negatory, because I know many won't use it wisely.
and here's the explanation: if someone makes a troll post, I want it to be there forever, until it's deleted by us.
the head admin has spoketh
can't it be timed based? ie allow edit within a minute of posting? I know i often have to go back and correct a post after it has been posted (yea I know I can probably still do it).
no sorry, it's a flaw in vbulletin.. If I enable timebased eg 5mins, only head mods can edit after 5 mins. means you elupus won't be able to edit after 5mins
How about once you get to 100 post you can edit or something, not being able to edit typo's is %!#@%$!#^$#&^$!&%^*&^%(*$(^&*%(&$$#
how about you use the Preview function ?
quick reply doesn't have a preview.
I miss the edit function too
tufferred
2007-09-24, 01:07
read the title
you cant.. only moderators allowed (and special users)
I'm quite surprised that the edit function still does not exist. The trolling argument seems rather thin to me, I don't see it being an issue on any other site I frequent. If somebody trolls, chances are somebody will quote it anyway.
Furthermore, not having the edit function adds to the user's frustration in several ways. To name one, I can see a lot of HOW-TO threads. The problem is that the original post often becomes outdated. The author can then either start a new thread, ending up with a truckload of HOW-TOs on the same subject, or add the new revised version in the existing thread (most common).
Both are really frustrating, the second variant even more when you have to browse through tens of pages just to find something that should be very simple to find to start with.
Furthermore, you can't say that there isn't an abundance of threads which could be avoided by allowing peeple to edit their threads. Newbies coming here read the "X steps to make this work" and then basically poist a new thread every time it doesn't work.
Now, you might think that people actualyl should go through the whole thread and look for updates, but that's not how it works. You can't expect new people to go through a truckload of pages, which will even confuse them further.
our closest cousin Xbox-Scene has a 5min edit limit last time I checked. I don't know how this affects Moderators and special users over there, but it's a different system.
But this isn't an option for THIS FORUM engine as then it would mean EVERYONE would have that restriction and we don't want that (I don't have to explain why I hope)
So that's why we have this compromise in effect currently
I don't agree to why there needs to be a time limit in the first place. Has it caused problems in the past?
Of course, if it's out control it would be one thing, but this isn't 4chan random either. This forum has a rather house trained audience (with exceptions of course :p). Sure, you can lock down a forum to a certain point where everything goes away, but to what cost. I personally think a couple of bad edits are worth it.
Just my 2 cents however :)
Lastly, I would say MediaPortal's forum could be used as a pro-agrument, seeing it's within the same "genre". I can't recall this being an issue over there, unless I've missed something.
smcnally75
2008-04-10, 17:41
But this isn't an option for THIS FORUM engine as then it would mean EVERYONE would have that restriction and we don't want that (I don't have to explain why I hope)
Are you just guessing this is how it works or are you positive? Another forum I go on is running on vbulletin and we have 5-10 minutes to edit our posts. After that time is up we cannot edit our posts but the moderators can.
Are you just guessing this is how it works or are you positive? Another forum I go on is running on vbulletin and we have 5-10 minutes to edit our posts. After that time is up we cannot edit our posts but the moderators can.
Yes, that is possible. What pike wants however is a third group, who aren't moderators but are able to override the edit time limit (such as developers).
I would like to Edit post in these forums, i remember i could in the past but i can't find the anymore!?
matt_cyr
2008-06-04, 17:54
This feature has been removed for users because some people were abusing the feature.
Gamester17
2008-06-04, 22:35
you cant.. only moderators allowed (and special users)
FYI; "special users" include skinners and python scripters / plugin writters and similar people.
This feature has been removed for users because some people were abusing the feature.
Weird, now the innocent good behaving forum users are punished. Just ban the abusers and give us the edit back...
I'm not criticizing here, just trying to gain understanding.
So...
What does it matter if somebody trolls and then edits/deletes their post?
Why should we care?
Do we need to be able to "prove" that they troll-ed in order to punish them?
I really can't think of any good ways to "abuse" the edit function.
I particularly agree with phunge's argument about the How-to threads.
I am a member of the TDIClub.com forums, and I have had to update incorrect or outdated information in my own How-To posts many times.
It makes it much more difficult to find useful information otherwise.
Again, I'm asking for enlightenment, not being argumentative.
-Wes
icekiller
2008-06-19, 01:30
I'm not criticizing here, just trying to gain understanding.
So...
What does it matter if somebody trolls and then edits/deletes their post?
Why should we care?
Do we need to be able to "prove" that they troll-ed in order to punish them?
I really can't think of any good ways to "abuse" the edit function.
I particularly agree with phunge's argument about the How-to threads.
I am a member of the TDIClub.com forums, and I have had to update incorrect or outdated information in my own How-To posts many times.
It makes it much more difficult to find useful information otherwise.
Again, I'm asking for enlightenment, not being argumentative.
-Wes
seriously you have to ask? I miss the edit function as much as the next guy but.. image this
person X: troll.. @ person y
person Y: responds...(bad but hey he was trolled)
person X edits his post to be non trolled.
moderator comes by and sees that person Y is attacking person X without (seemingly) good reason..
So person Y gets punished while person X is off the hook.
Person y goes but but he trolled me.. moderator can't see what 'was' there.. so he can't go on the word of the user nor the post...
aka anarchy.
Is it just me that finds it funny that in a thread about not being able to edit your own posts, icekiller edited his last post :rolleyes:
Is it just me that finds it funny that in a thread about not being able to edit your own posts, icekiller edited his last post :rolleyes:
That's not fair at all.... :sniffle:
lingenfr_xbmc
2008-06-24, 02:14
I agree it is asinine that users can't edit posts. It wastes space and causes the reader to have to go through pages upon pages of corrective posts to try and get at the content. Unfortunately, the xbox related boards seem to attract more that the average number of immature nitwits who would likely abuse it. I would still rather have that than the current setup.
seriously you have to ask?
Yes, I had to ask.
Maybe it's just that I'm such a nice guy, :rolleyes: I don't know, but I honestly couldn't understand how someone could abuse the edit function.
Now I "understand", in the sense that I get what you're saying, but is that really a problem on this board?
I mean, come on, people, "sticks and stones may break my bones" and all that.
It's called "turn the other cheek".
If someone trolls you, just don't respond. Or use the "quote" function, then say "don't troll".
Honestly, it sounds like my mother trying to make sure the wrong kid isn't unfairly punished.
Are we all pimply teenagers on this forum or what? I may be pimply, but I'll be 30 this year, and I don't consider myself a child.
How often do we really have this issue? Not very often, I'd wager.
If the person responds to a troll post, he probably deserves to be punished anyway. If he is a n00b, maybe he'll learn a lesson from it; not to respond to trolls.
If he's a veteran, he should know better; but maybe we can give him some leeway.
I think this forum is mostly full of dedicated, considerate, passionate, and mature people. It's silly to babysit them, and it hurts the productivity and vibrancy of the whole community.
Anyway, you all know how I feel now. I want edit.
-Wes
I have honestly no idea why some of you guys are making such a big deal out of it...
Here's some stats:
t029248 # Total Posts: 278 # Posts Per Day: 0.18
waldo22 # Total Posts: 127 # Posts Per Day: 0.44
blubyu # Total Posts: 26 # Posts Per Day: 0.15
lingenfr_xbmc # Total Posts: 60 # Posts Per Day: 0.67
phunqe # Total Posts: 64 # Posts Per Day: 0.04
With these numbers, I think my argument of using the PREVIEW function is as solid as ever.
We already have exceptions for the people that really needs to edit posts, atleast for people which we haven't missed
Sorry Pike. I just thought it was funny how the thread was about editing posts and then I saw one of the users had edited his post. That struck me as funny. I could care less if we can edit out posts or not. Believe me, the way I spell I always use the preview button :)
Well, clearly, we're not changing your mind :grin:
My complaint has been heard, though, and is on record forever (since I can't go back and change it now). ;)
I guess it just makes me feel like a little kid who hasn't earned the "privilege" of editing his posts. It's been a long time since I've felt that way.
I'll say one more thing, then I'm done:
This is the only forum that I'm a member of where users aren't given the ability to edit.
I think you've locked it down to prevent a problem which isn't really a problem, and every single day, someone posts, then posts again with a "sorry, can't find the edit button" post. Every day.
Thanks for listening.
OK, I lied about being done.
Did you get those stats by dividing the number of my posts by the number of days I've been a forum member?
I understand your reasoning, but I don't know that that's a fair measurement.
I was a lurker long before I was a poster. It's better to learn first before you harass people with questions, and now, I'm able to help out new users because of the knowledge I've gained.
OK, now I'm done.
lingenfr_xbmc
2008-06-25, 02:52
I have honestly no idea why some of you guys are making such a big deal out of it...
Here's some stats:
With these numbers, I think my argument of using the PREVIEW function is as solid as ever.
We already have exceptions for the people that really needs to edit posts, atleast for people which we haven't missed
If the point was correcting mistakes I would agree with you. Looking at how-tos etc it would allow the thread starter to update the first post rather than have to read pages and pages of text and maybe guess what the correct steps are. Obviously this thread is a waste of time, so I'm out.
Wraith_DK
2008-09-21, 19:43
I've been using vBulletin on a clan site for many years, and it's excellent.
I am however missing the edit button here on the XBMC community forum.
English is native to many of us, so it would help if we were allowed to correct the worst of our speeling errors :laugh:
althekiller
2008-09-21, 21:29
You can thank the users before you who abused the edit button for your current predicament. You know the saying, "It only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone."
Could you have a time limit on editing your posts. I know I've noticed little errors after I posted something and having a few minutes to put it right would be better than posting again straight after.
Razor_109
2008-09-21, 23:17
hmm i never really understood the term 'abuse the edit button' .. what's to abuse? :)
replying with to correct things is more abusing than the edit function?
oh well maybe i'm overlooking something, was just wondering. Would love the ability to edit my posts though, as Hitcher stated it happens often i made some faults or forgot something.
althekiller
2008-09-21, 23:40
Could you have a time limit on editing your posts. I know I've noticed little errors after I posted something and having a few minutes to put it right would be better than posting again straight after.
Apparently the way the forums work you can't apply that per group, so mods would be limited in the same way.
This point isn't up for discussion, it's not changing.
hmm i never really understood the term 'abuse the edit button' .. what's to abuse? :)
replying with to correct things is more abusing than the edit function?
oh well maybe i'm overlooking something, was just wondering. Would love the ability to edit my posts though, as Hitcher stated it happens often i made some faults or forgot something.
The limitation seems to be in the forum software where the edit time is a global value, which means setting a time for an end user affects the admins as well (like Al stated), which is pretty lame if you ask me.
I too have think it would be nice if everyone could edit their posts to correct small mistakes, maybe it's something the forum admins could look into again, when they get a chance.
This point isn't up for discussion, it's not changing.
althekiller,
This is in no way meant to offend you personally, but I find that very irritating.
It makes us feel completely powerless, and like we're not really a part of the community.
I'll just say this:
This is the only forum that I've ever been a part of where I can't edit posts.
Frankly, it sucks.
You guys believe in "free" software and the sharing of ideas, and yet we don't even have the freedom to edit and update our own ideas on your servers.
I'm with Razor. How can you abuse the edit button?
If somebody trolls, just quote them, then they'll be punished.
Was this really a major problem? How many people actually abused the edit button?
It sounds like someone pissed off a few mods.
I guess I just don't like being treated like I'm in High School again.
/rant
@d4rk,
I think the global value affects developers, but not mods.
Couldn't we just make all the developers mods?
@d4rk,
I think the global value affects developers, but not mods.
Couldn't we just make all the developers mods?
I think all developers are mods currently, and I'm currently under the impression that it is in fact a global value. Need to check.
jmarshall
2008-09-22, 01:37
It affects only non-mods who have edit rights. Currently these are some python scripters + some skinners + some other people who have demonstrated they have contributed to the forum. Primarily those who it makes sense to be able to have a first post in a thread that they can update with new versions and so on. I've suggested that this be looked in to, but I leave it up to those who do the majority of the moderation to make the decision in this regard.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Wraith_DK
2008-09-22, 02:02
negatory, because I know many won't use it wisely.
and here's the explanation: if someone makes a troll post, I want it to be there forever, until it's deleted by us.
the head admin has spoketh
I see your point, but as head admin you're always able to see what's been edited, besides won't a troll poster get a ban, which means he won't be able to edit anything??
Possibly not changing your opinion, but for a few to be allowed to destroy it for so many sounds to me like they achieved the goal you didn't want them to achieve in the first place.
It's almost like giving in to terrorism...
@Wraith_DK: I don't think there's an Edit History, imagine how much extra space that would waste!
@ALL: Either way, I decided to listen to all who suggested we re"Enabled Edit Button".
Don't make me regret my deciscion
Peace Out and have a nice weekend
Wraith_DK
2008-09-27, 22:52
@Pike
It's not as much history, more like the last edit made. When i was admin on a vBulletin board i clearly remember being able to see what was edited... Maybe it's an add on feature, maybe it just needs to be turned on....Anyway
Great decision :D
I'm excited :)
If anyone abuses this, let's publish their address.
I'll have some "friends" pay them a "visit".
Thanks Pike,
We'll make good use of it.
-Wes