View Full Version : Resizing subs (especially VobSub) custom zoom scalability
hello !
i watched some weeks ago my first vobsubed divx and i noticed it was quite difficult to read the subtitles from a distance (more difficult than text subtitles).
it would be great if one could enlarge the size of the displayed subs in those cases (zooming in).
thanks for all your great work guys !
jmarshall
2005-01-05, 13:00
try going to settings->video settings.
try going to settings->video settings.
it works thanks !
i haven't figured yet if that extension % also apply to text subs.
it might be a good idea to change the options name to make it clearer :-)
actually i would prefer to be able to change the subtitle zoom in the subtitle popup window on the osd. i think right now the only things there are subtitle selection, enabled, and sync.
moving the other subtitle options from the video settings to there would be pretty cool (though i know some of them currently require a video restart, which is annoying to do from the *settings* menu).
maybe this is already supported in the skins and just hasnt been done yet?
-ast
i haven't figured yet if that extension % also apply to text subs.
it might be a good idea to change the options name to make it clearer :-)
text subs is not the same as vobsubs (which is the name of the option) :nuts:
vobsubs (gfx) you zoom,
textsubs (ascii) you change fontsize
heh wasnt paying attention...
-ast
i haven't figured yet if that extension % also apply to text subs.
it might be a good idea to change the options name to make it clearer :-)
text subs is not the same as vobsubs (which is the name of the option) :nuts:
vobsubs (gfx) you zoom,
textsubs (ascii) you change fontsize
well hehe i know that, i was just wondering.
besides i have xbmc configured in french and the options are not so clearly named (so the "blame" goes to the translation, i should have checked, my mistake).
anyway keep going guys, xmbc is the reason why i bought an xbox :)
Hi!
Until a few months ago, there was an option to resize (vobsub) subs to a percentage of the original size. This was a very useful option.
This option is not available anymore. Is it possible to activate it by using the AdvancedSettings.xml? I've tried to find it, but I could only find something about alternate subtitle folders.
http://i8.tinypic.com/257f5l3.jpg
yes, resize (vobsub) subs is a very useful , some vobsub is too small .
jmarshall
2006-08-22, 01:43
All vobsubs are the same size. 720x480. XBMC should scale these correctly to the resolution you are using, but perhaps it is not.
Please post a screenshot of an obviously too small subtitle (I see no problem with the one above).
Cheers,
Jonathan
All vobsubs are the same size. 720x480. XBMC should scale these correctly to the resolution you are using, but perhaps it is not.
Please post a screenshot of an obviously too small subtitle (I see no problem with the one above).
Cheers,
Jonathan
Even if the vobsubs are scaled correctly, they still can be too big or too small. My subtitle screenshot is not completely like it is on my tv, because I had to decrease the resolution vertically (anamorphic to square pixel) for the picture. Even like this, the subtitles are still too big to me. :cool:
Is it possible to get the old resizing option back? The advantage of it, is that everybody is able to resize to their preference.
as far as I can tell, vobsubs are definitely not of the same size with xbmc.
regardless, vobsub sizing is a very subjective matter and some form of manual resizing is a big plus.
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/screenshot006.JPG
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/screenshot007.JPG
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/screenshot008.JPG
Jonathan, you can see vobsubs is too samll to us.
i want adjust vobsubs to 130% or 150%
BTW: vobsubs postion can't ajust , but srt sub can adjust by screen , it's a big bug!
no it's not.
vobsubs are pictures. designed to be put on the video. in a fixed place. with a fixed size.
you don't like how they look / their size? go blame the dvd author.
it's like complaining about how they used a too small font on the end credits
no it's not.
vobsubs are pictures. designed to be put on the video. in a fixed place. with a fixed size.
you don't like how they look / their size? go blame the dvd author.
it's like complaining about how they used a too small font on the end credits
in the past , xbmc can adjust vobsubs size and place.
now cvs cancel this option , can adjust it like past xbmc?
if it was up to me; no.
it makes stuff look like crap.
feel free to change in source though, we are open source after all.
if it was up to me; no.
it makes stuff look like crap.
feel free to change in source though, we are open source after all.
thx god and all xbmc developer give us the best gift : XBMC .
in our family , i and my wife use xbmc watch movie , play music , we hope XBMC more and more perfect to all xbmc user.
xbmc is open source , but a lots of xbmc user no ability to modify source to add function as ther want , we only submit bug and suggest , want hero just like you to fix it.
in the past month , i submit a lots bug about chinese utf8 sub bug , the hero bobbin007 fix it , i think all none-english xbmc user will thx bobbin007 and all other xbmc developer .
those days , i found another bug to none-english user , also give sample and debug log and all files to reproduce this bug, to help you or another developer , i spend a lots time to find two 1 minute sample avi and sample srt files to make debug and fix easy.
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21328
in sf.net xbmc bug submit , i always find your name in cvs bug report manage .
thx allxbmc developer give us the best gift : XBMC.
i'll gladly fix bugs. in your post, jmarshall is helping you out, you can't ask for more qualified help.
i won't fix things i believe not to be a bug though. like this.
this was a design issue, and we made up our mind. we don't want it in there as it almost exclusively looks bad, and hence reflects bad on xbmc (not to mention the bug reports we had stating 'zoomed vobsubs look like crap'). it's simply unavoidable as this is blowing up low res stuff.
i'll gladly fix bugs. in your post, jmarshall is helping you out, you can't ask for more qualified help.
i won't fix things i believe not to be a bug though. like this.
this was a design issue, and we made up our mind. we don't want it in there as it almost exclusively looks bad, and hence reflects bad on xbmc (not to mention the bug reports we had stating 'zoomed vobsubs look like crap'). it's simply unavoidable as this is blowing up low res stuff.
thx spiff, i agree 'zoomed vobsubs look like crap', some time need adjust size and postion .
in fact, most pc media player just like KMPlayer and Media Player Classic can't adjust size and postion too.
ICE AGE2 KMPlayer Screenshots.
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 KMPlayer1.jpg
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 KMPlayer2.jpg
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 KMPlayer3.jpg
ICE AGE2 Media Player Classic Screenshots.
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 Media Player Classic1.jpg
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 Media Player Classic2.jpg
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub/ICE2 Media Player Classic3.jpg
jmarshall
2006-08-23, 02:17
XBMC is scaling it into your TV frame size (ie calibrated size). This is how it should be.
Was your previous screenshots (from XBMC) done in 480p or in 720p and downscaled?
If it's showing a different size (as a ratio of screensize) in 480p and 720p then I consider that a bug. If it's just scaling to the image size (which is what it should do to remain as the director intended) then it isn't a bug.
Please post the following (all of the same sub please, preferably with the viewmode info on screen):
1. A screenshot running in 480p with no calibration used at all.
2. A screenshot running in 480p with your usual calibration used.
3. A screenshot running in 720p with no calibration used at all.
4. A screenshot running in 720p with your usual calibration used.
Thanks,
Jonathan
I think it was a wrong decision to take away the resizing option for vobsubs. The people that complained about the quality of resized vobsubs are not helped by completely removing the option to resize. On the other hand, the people that were satisfied with the option are now missing a very useful option.
I believe that the resizing of vobsubs should be part of the default options, but if that is not an option for the developers, what about making it an option in AdvancedSettings.xml? 100% as the default and let people that really want to change the size, change it to their preference. I know from the past I always used 70-80%. I would change it to 75% and be happy with it.
Making resizing an advanced setting would only reflect positively on XBMC. I can't imagine people nagging about something that is not part of the default options. But even if they do, I would not take it too seriously.
Please take my suggestion into consideration. :cool:
jmarshall
2006-08-23, 02:56
I want to rule out bugs to the current method before we consider anything else.
Please post the screenshots I asked for.
If open source subrip code is reliable enough, why not convert vobsub to srt on the fly?
Of course, this is for english subs only.
hmmm that Subrip suggestion sounds interesting. I must say srt subs look beautiful in 720p!
hmmm that Subrip suggestion sounds interesting. I must say srt subs look beautiful in 720p!
courtesy of anti-aliased scalable fonts
Resizing vobsubs is necessary; i found this funtion also can enlarge subtitle Mplayer RAW Font , it's soo good thing.
a lots none-english Mplayer RAW Font only have samll size , such as 16,18,24 , not above 24 size . if use as Mplayer RAW Font subtile , 24 size is too small .
i modify XBoxRenderer.cpp so it can enlagre vobsub and Mplyaer RAW Font
float EnlargeFactor = (float)(g_settings.m_ResInfo[res].iWidth / 720.0f) * 1.35f; //g_guiSettings.GetInt("Subtitles.EnlargePercentage") / 100.0f;
see screenshots
1.0 org , not enlarge use GB2312-Ming 24 Size , too small.
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/RAW100.JPG
1.30 enlarge
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/RAW130.JPG
1.38 enlarge,
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/RAW138.JPG
i use TTF 32 or 34 .
so i think Resizing vobsubs is necessary. xbmc can do it pefect , see my sreenshot font is very very good.
Use ttf font, 24 size
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/TTF24.JPG
ttf font, 32 size
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/TTF32.JPG
ttf font, 34 size
http://www.gamepc.com.cn/leeu/xbmc/sub2/TTF34.JPG